Round 32
Your Comments from 02-02-2000 through 02-10-2000
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:04:03 AM
Scanned the posts..all hell broke loose after I logged off last night, huh? All the fmr deviates were out in full force. Bush 2000 got here in old car 54 and the poor old grieving Lar tore himself away from Nancy's grave, got to a computer and disspelled his favorite bit of trash, Linda returned again and again and again, accusing me of signing her name to posts...Now, Linda, why would I do that?..you have my toll free number, call it...and Jim and I were accused of having an affair...usual b s..hohummmmmmmmmmmmm And speaking of ho hummmmmmmm, the State of Indiana has hired Linda Pence, who practices law with a 55 member law firm in Indianapolis to investigate the White River tragedy. She had been hired by the state and will work with IDEM for a fee of $255.00 an hour and will make $200,000.00 this year...Now how do they know how much she will make when she hasn't started billing yet? I have a questiion, councillor...they say that Guide is still under federal and state scrutiny, which means they have been ordered to open their doors at appointed times to allow some jerks in for "inspection"...now, if you had a stash, and the state said "Lissen up, on Tuesday at 9:00A we are coming to your house and search for your stuff"...would you have it on display? Just laying there on the coffee table..?...Get real...
Linda's helper is a guy who won a law suit against Shell Oil in Tippecanoe County because they had poisoned the water in that area..he was named litigator of the year by the the Hoosier Environmental Council...which doesn't help us a hell of a lot because they are still saying"the cause of the fish deaths has not been determined."...
So, I think I'll organize a fish fry, have Crown Environment be the caterers, invite the state officials, the legislature, the mayor of Anderson, Mark Lawler and his gay old man, the ex-prosecutor, the Anderson PD, the Board of Health, some traitorous members of UAW local 663, some equally traitorous citizens of that town, and of this area in which I reside, serve them some good old fish, and some Hamilton County drinking water...and then dump them all down there in Hendricks County, let THEM sleep with the fishes...and let us regain our sanity and live a little...just a little...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:17:02 AM
Addendum: Linda Pence's qualifications are: She was an on air commentator during the trials of Mike Tyson and O.J.Simpson. This automatically should guarantee her the investigatory position to which she has been appointed. Tyson was up for rape, and Simpson for murder...know what I mean?...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:25:38 AM
Hey BusBoy2000
You never said, what business rational, was Coke laying off 40% of its workers.
Is there any explanation to this large cut in workforce ?
Do you have any story to tell, about this ?
You seemed to say it with such glee, 40% lay-offs, seemed to please you so......Tom
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:32:55 AM
Consider these facts:
1) There is hardly any unionism in New Hampshire.
2) There are hardly any Democrats there either (except for those "independent" Democrats who are really Republicans - just like Bradley.
So if Gore beat him there, he'll beat him EVERYWHERE!
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:46:20 AM
So here's a challenge, BUSHBOY 2000:
If Gore is a "lying piece of shit," give us a dozen examples.
No, that's too tough, make it half a dozen.
Doing the math, that's six (6).
And remmember, it doesn't count as a lie unless 1) it actually WAS a lie; and 2) Gore actually SAID it.
Which means "invented the Internet" doesn't count, because he never SAID that.
And "did farm chores as a kid" doesn't count because he actually DID that.
And "I was the one that started it all" doesn't count, because he never SAID that.
And let's raise the bar by making it lies about things that matter, instead of crap like "I campaigned in more Southern states than all the other candidates". There is isn't a successful politician around who wouldn't say things like that.
I'll be waiting for your reply.
I suspect it'll be a long wait.
jiminlisle
Which
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:50:53 AM
Lar
from your 1/31...7:53 post...you wrote
I also believe that other environmental cancerns have already reached catostropic levels.
Could you please explain what are you refering to ?............................Tom
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:53:02 AM
The latest from the Indy Star:
State hires outside firm to investigate huge fish kill
By Kyle Niederpruem and Bonnie Harris
The Indianapolis Star
INDIANAPOLIS (Feb. 2, 2000) -- Linda L. Pence, a former Justice Department attorney with a tough-as-nails reputation, has been hired by the state's environmental agency to investigate the White River fish kill.
Gov. Frank O'Bannon signed off on the decision, saying Tuesday it was necessary because "the crisis is that big."
"It certainly justifies employing the most expert counsel to make sure that we fully prosecute the case," said O'Bannon.
The White River fish kill is one of the state's worst environmental disasters, having wiped out 88 tons of all species of fish and attracting political attention in this year's gubernatorial election.
Pence will be paid $225 an hour for a two-year contract, not to exceed a total of $200,000. That hourly rate is a 15 percent discount from Pence's standard hourly fee.
The high-powered litigator is representing the Indiana Department of Environmental Management and the Indiana Department of Natural Resources and is coordinating their efforts in any potential enforcement action.
State officials have described this case as one of the most complex in Indiana.
Numerous state and federal agencies are involved. Both civil and criminal investigations are under way, including a federal grand jury in Indianapolis. And any evidence collected will turn on highly technical data subject to challenge by experts.
The decision to hire Pence rested with Lori Kaplan, commissioner of the Department of Environmental Management.
"It doesn't mean the agency can't handle it," Kaplan said. "It's expertise above and beyond."
Kaplan previously worked as an associate for Pence who is a partner in Smith Pence & Heath, a 55-member Indianapolis law firm specializing in complex criminal and civil litigation.
No other law firm was considered for this assignment, Kaplan said.
Thomas A. Barnard, a partner in the firm, will assist Pence.
Barnard was named Litigator of the Year in 1995 by the Hoosier Environmental Council for a case he filed on behalf of Tippecanoe County property owners. They sued Shell Oil Co. for damages, alleging gasoline had polluted their drinking water.
A jury awarded $4.2 million in the case, though a settlement was later reached which remains secret.
Republican and Democrat lawmakers believe that Pence -- at least on first blush -- is a good choice because of her tough reputation and years of experience.
Though state officials say private lawyers are frequently hired to represent state agencies, no one could provide an example of a private law firm being hired to investigate a potential enforcement case on behalf of the environmental agency.
Officials said the environmental agency has about 20 attorneys on staff in its Office of Legal Counsel.
"We needed more expertise than we have on staff in the Department of Environmental Management, plus the fact that we have full case loads right now," said O'Bannon.
Lawmakers did express concern that a privately-contracted attorney would possibly be reviewing the public records of a government agency to determine if they should be released to anyone -- environmentalist, reporter, attorney or political opponent.
Under state law, a record created in the event of an investigation can be withheld from public view. However, existing records -- permits, inspections, and other regulatory documents kept in the course of daily business done by the state agency -- cannot be withheld.
"The state has a responsibility to communicate directly with citizens and we can't privatize that responsibility," said Rep. Mark Kruzan, D-Bloomington, who is the majority floor leader in the House.
Pence's hiring may give new political fodder to Republicans.
"It tends to confirm there are some significant problems over there," said Lisa Kobe, a spokeswoman for the Republican State Central Committee. Kobe said the state GOP has yet to file any public records requests, a not-unusual technique used to flog a political opponent with facts and statistics.
"I can't say we wouldn't consider it," she said.
Pence, a Democrat according to her voting records, said some of her responsibilities remain undefined, such as clearing requested interviews with state officials or screening written requests for public records.
"I was hired to continue this investigation and make sure we do it as quickly as possible, no stone unturned," she said.
Guide Corp. and the city of Anderson's wastewater treatment plant are both under state and federal scrutiny.
The automotive parts plant is the suspected source of a toxic chemical released to city sewers. The municipal plant, which processes treated wastes for release into White River, also might face enforcement action in its operation and response to the incident.
The state has yet to identify the lethal pollutant released into the river.
http://www.indystar.com/news/citystate/2000/feb/0202st_pence.html
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:55:57 AM
"Like I told you.. ANYONE BUT GORE.... I will even take Bradley.
BUSH 2000"
The best proof yet that Bradley's a Republican.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:08:34 AM
jiminlisle
Did you hear...cough....Linda is back !
By the way.....cough....did she leave ?
So is he back...cough...or is she gone ?
Can she stay...cough...or must she leave ?
Damn, I must do...cough...something about this runny nose...........Tom
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:27:44 AM
That was jiminlisle, pointing out that Bradley is a Republican piece of shit.
Or am I being redundant?
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:32:50 AM
The king missed his coronation Tuesday. George W. Bush, who was supposed to have been crowned with the GOP nomination Tuesday was by passed by New Hampshirites who have been endowed with the God given right of undoubtedly being the dumbest voters in the US by exposing themselves every four years to a group of presidential wanna bes, by having their lives and towns invaded with a horde of print reporters, tv media know-it-alls, and depraved egomaniacs who all want to be president of the United States.
George W. said, "I congratulate McCain, he fought a good fight and he won. However, it will be different in South Carolina, where they know I am just as much of a bigot as they are. I can and have out-bigoted everyone." As they left New Hampshire, Bush was seen passing out the Confederate flag T-shirts which will be the theme of his campaign in that state. The shirts bear his new slogan "Give Bush a Push". He has been cautioned by his mother and father not to stand too close to a train while wearing this garb. Printed in red, white, and blue, they match the logo he has had painted on his private plane. "Ahm gonna take South Carolina just like Lee took Hannover", he said, displaying his famous trade mark "grin". Nobody seemed to know what that meant.
John McCain, beaming and fresh from his victory said,"Those goddamn people will try to label me a "liberal" in South Carolina, but all they have to do is look at my credentials." When he was taken aside by his manager, Lyndsy Graham who pointed out that his fly was unzipped, he hurriedly boarded his plane. Lyndsy said,"It's not you guys think, he got dressed in a hurry this mornin'. Ah'll tell him after this to check these things out." Lyndsy knows.
Bill Bradley said,"A week ago, everyone, including my physcian had given up on me, but I am like Lazxarus, back from the dead." Clutching at his oxygen mask and assisted by his aids who were recently awarded their EMT certificates, he continued listing the benefits of his newest health plan, even as he was wheeled into his awaiting plane, which he has named "The Spirit".
Al Gore, saying that this was not nearly as large a victory as he had anticipated, but indeed a boost in the right direction, gracisously thanked the voters for listening to him and putting up with him these past weeks. "I will be the best president I can be," he said,"I will be all I can be and I will NEVER have sex with any women"...hmmm..wonder what Tipper will have to say about that?...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:35:19 AM
From the Consortium article Mike referred to last night:
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The Post's Ceci Connolly even defended her inaccurate rendition of Gore's quote as something of a journalistic duty. "We have an obligation to our readers to alert them [that] this [Gore's false boasting] continues to be something of a habit," she said. [AP, Dec. 14, 1999]
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Translation: "We will expose Gore as a liar even if we have to lie through our teeth to do it."
Ceci must be BOZO2000's role model, huh?
Is that like, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:41:22 AM
While the Republican state committee respresented by Ms.Kobe is being so sanctimonious regard the investigation into the White River pollution, maybe she should extend her tentacles to include their gubernatorial candidate Rep. David McIntosh (R) and his consistenly abhorrent record on environmental concerns. We have contacted him again and again and attempted to work with is office to no avail. He is bought and paid for...and GM no doubt possesses the receipt...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:15:27 AM
Bush2000,
"Anyway, I have read your post. I still don't know how you guys can be upset with the media. I am watching Larry King right now, and they are even talking about Gore and his lying."
What is so difficult to understand why center-progressives do not trust the media? As the story Mike read last night and the story Jim mentioned above indicates, GORE IS NOT LYING and the media are reporting that he is lying. Many of us are upset because the media are, as usual, distorting the message of the only viable candidate that center progressives can choose.
"... he could leave Gore and Bush in the wake....."
You do know that Gore is not running in the republican primary?
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:17:28 AM
According to Gore, We have just began to fight. and compared his win to a football game, stating "This Tennessean is Not 1 yard short and is in the end zone"... which leads me to ask....
Where is the unsportsmanlike conduct call? COME ON REF'S WHERE THE HELL IS THE FLAG?
BUSH 2000
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:19:12 AM
De
A few days after the White River story broke, didn't you do some research that came up with some very similar spills in....Ohio ?
Will that be added to the White River Site ?
Anything more about it, come up ?.......Tom
ps..did you hear that....cough...linda is back.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:22:05 AM
Linda,
"You have expended so much effort in your smear campaign against him. I can't see that there is a dilemma here. Gore is a reckless liar "
What part of reporting Bush's political record in Texas and his record of corruption in Texas constitutes a smear? i would suggest that when people keep referring to Gore's lying especially, since the record has been set straight, they are the one's who are smearing. That you continue claiming that Gore has lied -- though you take care not to list the lies -- suggests a paucity of ethics on your part.
By the way, about maligning Limbaugh: he claims to have 20 million listeners; and, he claims that only 5% of the public make any contribution to the advancement of our society. You do the math; he obviously holds nothing but contempt for a large portion of his listeners, even if you grant that all the "movers and shakers" listen to him. Limbaugh is a social darwinist, and most of his listeners, to him, are just chum in the capitalist shark pool.
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:24:51 AM
And about Gore's "squeezing by" Bradley: last week everyone was saying the race was too close to call, and before that Bradley was beating Gore by up to 6 points, so in the last to weeks Gore gained around 12 points and in the last couple of days Bush who we were told by the "liberal press" was even with McCain, evidently lost 19 points in a couple of days? Bush loses a lot of points, Gore gains around 12, but Gore just made it? i love republican analysis.
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:28:14 AM
BusBoy2000
Tell about your COKE story.
The one that 40% get cut.
The one you were so happy to report.
Where is that story...anyway?
What was the reason given, for the 40% cut in workers...in such a large corporation as COKE ?
Any rational business reason given at all ?
Tell us about your COKE story......Tom
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:53:08 AM
Tom,
If you had Bush's connections, you could AFFORD to do something about that runny nose.
Of course, HIS runny nose has a far different cause.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:00:20 AM
So here's a challenge, BUSHBOY 2000:
If Gore is a "lying piece of shit," give us a dozen examples.
No, that's too tough, make it half a dozen.
Doing the math, that's six (6).
And remmember, it doesn't count as a lie unless 1) it actually WAS a lie; and 2) Gore actually SAID it.
Which means "invented the Internet" doesn't count, because he never SAID that.
And "did farm chores as a kid" doesn't count because he actually DID that.
And "I was the one that started it all" doesn't count, because he never SAID that.
And let's raise the bar by making it lies about things that matter, instead of crap like "I campaigned in more Southern states than all the other candidates". There is isn't a successful politician around who wouldn't say things like that.
I'll be waiting for your reply.
I suspect it'll be a long wait.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:05:55 AM
George Bush's supporters: WE'RE NUMBER TWO! WE'RE NUMBER TWO!
Bradley: "A week ago they said it couldn't be done"...well, hell, Bill, it wasn't!
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:11:20 AM
And yes, BOZO2000, that IS a repeat post.
I repeated it to prove a point.
The point being, that CALLING someone a lying piece of shit does NOT MAKE him a lying piece of shit.
To PROVE he's a lying piece of shit, you have to present EVIDENCE.
You know, like ACTUAL LIES HE ACTUALLY TOLD. And they have to be SUBSTANTIVE lies, not boilerplate that no one really cares about.
Just to clarify, TRUE statements DON'T count as lies.
STATEMENTS he NEVER MADE ALSO don't count as lies.
MISQUOTES don't count as lies either.
Boilerplate such as "I'm happy to be here today" doesn't count either.
We're waiting, BOZO2000. Because if you can't come up with evidence, you'll have PROVED to this whole site what we already knew:
That YOU'RE a lying piece of shit.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:19:56 AM
Tom, Why don't YOU do some research into the Ohio River? All the info is out there, look for it. Inquiring minds want to know.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:32:12 AM
Does anyone know how much Bush paid for his 47,000+ votes in New Hampshire?
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:10:12 AM
http://www.enviro-info-solutions.com/indcases/shell.html#summary
The Tippecanoe / Shell Oil case (gasoline in your morning coffee)
the case mentioned in the Indy Star this morning as 'credentials' for the new 'hard ball' attorney they're hiring (how come they give a two year contract?)
Sag, you mean they haven't IDENTIFIED the chemical responsible for all those dead fish. CAN YOU SAY: INCOMPETENT? CAN YOU SAY: COVER UP? CAN YOU SAY: FUCK YOU? (sorry, but that's exactly what they are saying).
yes. all of the above, incompetent being a nice cover when you're as immoral as these people. why don't we hear THIS kind of event brought up when the Republicans talk about "moral values"???
De
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:11:40 AM
John, I think it was around 37,000,000. It was in the 'thirties' anyhow. good news, hmm?
De
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:29:11 AM
On to South Carolina indeed.
The flag flap will surely be an issue. McCain has already flipped-flopped, while Bush has been able to shrug it off as a state’s rights issue. But with the flag issue building in Texas, W will soon be in the hot seat on this one. AnnA
The Associated Press, January 29, 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/a/AP-NAACP-Flag.html
SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) -- Intensifying their pressure on Republican Gov. George W. Bush, civil rights leaders on Saturday called for Texans to purge Confederate flags from public spaces in order to remove badges of slavery and racism.
Dozens of leaders from NAACP branches in Texas met Saturday to discuss ways to combat racism. Kyev Tatum of the Hill Country Branch said he was frustrated with what he described as Bush's unclear position on the flag.
Unfortunately, many leaders within our state government have refused to take a stand, Tatum said. We believe it is our duty and our responsibility to bring that to the attention of the people of Texas and the country......
....Tatum asked the state board of the NAACP to endorse a protest in Austin against the Confederate flags and for stronger hate-crime laws.
Bledsoe [president of the Texas NAACP] said he supports the rally and wants to combine it with a protest of the state Senate's decision to designate April as Confederate History and Heritage Month. A resolution was adopted by the Senate last March.
It slipped through the Legislature, Bledsoe said. Even the black caucus members were completely unaware that it occurred.
The resolution describes the Civil War as a struggle for state's rights and individual freedom and says the defense of slavery was a factor for only 2 percent of Texans who fought in the war.
Politically correct revisionists would have Texas children believe that their Confederate ancestors fought for slavery when in fact most Texans joined the Confederate armed forces to defend their homes, their families and their proud heritage as Texans, the resolution reads.
McClellan said Bush was asked to sign a proclamation in support of the resolution, but declined. Bush did not comment when the Senate approved the resolution, he said.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:46:49 AM
DE, thanks to the screwing I have gotten from Guide Lamp, city, state and national officials,my sex life is quite fulfilled..although not very satisfying...I keep waiting for the climax...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:02:55 AM
To illustrate a point:
If Gore says 2 + 2 = 4 and the media says 2 + 2 = 5, then Gore is NOT lying; the MEDIA are lying.
Again, if Gore says 2 + 2 = 4 and the media says GORE said 2 + 2 = 5, then Gore is NOT lying; the MEDIA are lying.
Am I getting through to you, LYIN'SACKO'SHIT2000?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:18:47 AM
And don't think your lie about Hillary's interview with the radio asshole was forgotten either.
You SAID it was a PHONE interview, but never provided any EVIDENCE.
Not that whether it was a phone interview had ANY relevance to the point of the whole discussion - namely that the media are out to trash Democrats any way they can.
Typically Republican trick - to derail a discussion with, not just ANY old lie, but a TOTALLY IRRELEVANT lie.
But what else could you expect from a lyin' sack o' shit like LYIN'SACKO'SHIT2000?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:33:11 AM
Tom, I don't know who suggested, above, that you look into the Ohio chem spills, (not me) but, it's a good idea. I didn't come across A THING. But, the more I do searches on GM and company (meaning their spin-offs and subsidiaries), the more I can see that the information is being REMOVED. I come across links that have the basic story in the header with the link, then, when I go their, the references that are in the headers are NOT THERE. This is not a 'conspiracy theory' I have, it is a conspiracy to eliminate info on the net. Gee, wonder who is responsible for the EDITING? (censorship) of the history of environmental disasters sponsored by our wonderful corporations? You have to go to enviro sites to find the info. Some of them have recorded the court cases, the rulings against the EPA, etc. The one that comes to mind as example, is the Metam-Sodium task force. They had a case against the EPA and won it...to rewrite the regulation for metamsodiums. (The ways in which the use and disposal of these chemicals is (was) presribed by law have been revised in favor of the chemical makers/distributors/users/disposers of wastewater, etc.
You get the picture?
Tom, go for it. Do some investigation, and if you come up with leads, post 'em and we'll take a look, too.
De
HERE IS THE WEBPAGE WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER IN REGARD TO THE WHITE RIVER CHEMICAL DUMP.
http://www3.50megs.com/truepatriots/whiteriver/flashpage.htm
It's under construction, and there will be on-going updates, so bookmark it and check back often.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:35:14 AM
I see that, once again, someone is posting using my name. Linda, the Flint comment was not written by me. As you know, they have been doing the same to you.
These last few days have been very exciting for me, and I have had a lot to do. I have not posted much, and I definately would not have said anything like that, anyways. Keep it up Linda...welcome back.
Hope to be back full time soon!
Lar
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:44:58 AM
Not as much fun without the corporate media echo chamber, is it GUTLESS2000?
There's no echo in here at all - just the sound of Republican lies being flushed down the tubes.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:54:37 AM
Just scanning the site, and saw this:
"Lar,
am i understanding you correctly; are you suggesting that you would support environmental regulations as long as they do not negatively impact businesses? "
John, that is not what I said...please go back and read.
I will respond to others tonite.
Lar
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:56:13 AM
Matt,
"study tips" were not from me, sorry.
Once again, everybody, any post directed at me that demands thought will have a response tonite.
Lar
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:04:01 AM
After further and final review, I see that Tom is the only one I owe a response. See ya then, Tom! Lar
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:13:45 AM
arrah, pretty loopy lar.
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:24:27 AM
from one mm to another,
now its just "me"
remember the rabbit lady.
matt
FEBRUARY 02, 10:53 EST
General Motors Names Wagoner CEO
By JUSTIN HYDE AP Auto Writer
G. Richard Wagoner Jr. AP/Koji Sasahara [22K] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DETROIT (AP) — General Motors Corp. announced today G. Richard Wagoner Jr. will become its next chief executive officer on June 1, succeeding Jack Smith who will remain chairman. Harry Pearce will stay on as vice chairman.
The move announced today will bring to a close Smith's seven-year tenure as CEO of the world's largest automaker that saw a return to healthy profits amid a continuing struggle to stay competitive.
``Rick will have responsibility for the strategic and operational leadership for General Motors. He is in charge,'' Smith, 61, told a news conference.
At age 46, Wagoner is one of the youngest top leaders ever at GM and becomes a strong candidate to replace Smith when he retires as chairman.
Pearce had been seen as a successor to Smith until he was diagnosed with leukemia in 1998. Pearce returned to work in 1999.
Wagoner has followed in Smith's footsteps for much of his 22-year career with GM, spending much of that time in finance and overseas positions. He had been named president and chief operating officer of GM in October 1998. Before that, Wagoner headed GM's automotive operations, the company's largest and most profitable unit.
Wagoner was credited with streamlining management of the world's largest corporation while cutting the number of GM models and reducing design and manufacturing time.
He was in charge of GM's North American Operations from 1994 until October 1998.
Smith was named CEO in November 1992 and has been GM chairman since November 1996. He succeeded John G. Smale, a longtime Procter & Gamble co. executive who led a 1992 coup that forced out then chairman and chief executive Robert Stempel after billions of dollars in losses from GM's North American operations.
During Smith's term, GM has stayed profitable and gone to great lengths to please shareholders, spinning off its Delphi parts operations and cutting costs.
While relations with the United Auto Workers union have been mixed, especially after a 1998 strike that cost the company $1.5 billion, Smith has tried to make peace. Shortly after he took office, Smith became the first GM chief executive to meet face-to-face with union leaders in over 50 years; earlier this week, he was hailed for his efforts to heal the wounds from the strike by UAW President Stephen Yokich.
But while Smith has made strides in improving GM's balance sheet, Wall Street has not always been satisfied with the results, complaining that GM has not moved fast enough to reduce its staff and close unprofitable plants.
And Smith has not been able to stem the slow erosion of GM's U.S. market share, which dropped to 29.3 percent in 1999 from 33 percent in 1993. GM's sales were up 9 percent in 1999, but the automaker finished the year with slightly more than 29 percent of the U.S. market for cars and light trucks — unchanged from 1998, when production was crippled by lengthy strikes at two Flint parts plants. It was the first time since the 1920s that GM held less than 30 percent of the market in a year without a strike.
Some of the results from 1999 were blamed on sour relations with dealers unhappy with GM's plans to buy up to 10 percent of its franchises, mostly in large urban areas where the automaker's market share collapsed. Smith killed the plan in October.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:34:50 AM
"During Smith's term, GM has stayed profitable and gone to great lengths to please shareholders, spinning off its Delphi parts operations and cutting costs. "
Bingo!
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:40:22 AM
Linda,
Oh, I almost forgot. I'm sorry about last night. Really. I thought you were going to bring the condoms. Maybe it was meeting in the cemetery that threw you off a little. And also I'm sorry for suggesting the Saran Wrap. I just thought it was okay. Nance was a big fan of Saran Wrap you know. So, anyway, I have a lot to go do now. I'll respond to all posts that require some thought later tonite. I think I already said that. Bush have a great day, okay? Ben you too. God, my skin is all itchy today. You might want to note that, Linda. Anyway, good-bye for now all. Oh, Ben I forgot. Is it snowing over there? Glad you're back, Linda. Wait, I said that to you last night in the cemetery, didn't I? Oh, whatever. See you all later. Oh, wait. Linda, I'm sorry. It wasn't Saran Wrap, it was Glad Wrap. That's what my beautiful Nance used to use. I can't keep them all straight. So, please accept this apology, okay? Just try to remember what to bring from now on, okay? Things like that disturb me a great deal and I'm liable to get all fucking crazy again and try to kill you and shit. I know, I know, I've got to learn to control these impulses but you have to do your part too, okay? Well, good-bye all. No, wait. One more thing. Linda, I know people here are so weird they are signing your name to posts and shit but you know what? They don't fool me. Not even a little bit they don't. I know when you've really written something. I can tell by the little marks around your "i's". So, don't worry, okay? Just really, really try not to irritate me again. I can get real psycho real fast. It's almost like a fucking roller-coaster and shit. Okay, I really have to go.
Lar
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:50:03 AM
Lar
Fuck you, okay? YOU were suppposed to bring the condoms. Don't give me that "you have to do your part" bullshit. I'll do whatever I goddam please. And as far as your dead wife is concerned, I'm really REALLY getting tired of hearing about her. By the way your fucking threats about getting violent are also starting to piss me off royally. You don't know an out of control temper, pal, until you see mine! So, back off with that temper shit. And no more goddam trips to the cemetery. You are REALLY starting to creep me out. And what was all that shit with the dead cat? No wonder your skin is "all itchy" today. Don't make me get a restraining order on your ass. I have friends who can get me one, believe me.
Linda
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 10:33:10 AM
Monica Lewinsky (on CNN's Larry King Live discussing her miraculous Jenny Craig weight-loss) :
"I've learned not to put things in my mouth that are bad for me"
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:16:18 AM
Inquiring Minds ?
Maybe you can learn something from Monica. Whatever you have putting in your head.....your post are coming out....CHICKEN SHIT.
Maybe Jenny has a tool for you?,,,,,,,,,,,Tom
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:21:31 AM
Thank you, Woody Fogg!
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:30:03 AM
For those who don't remember, Woody Fogg is the New Hampshire primary voter who said "McCain looks like a winner!"
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:37:20 AM
Howard Stern this morning: "I feel like I have to vote for Al Gore. He is the only one who appears to be decent, is concerned about women's rights, has the environment at heart and is speaking on the level. What the hell is it with George W. Bush? They ask him a question, he puts his head down, then looks into the camera with that simple look on his face...do you think that guy is uh...er...all there?...I think he's one short grape of a bunch."...and they criticize Howard...my man!...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:42:54 AM
My error, (occasionally I err)..that was supposed to read "one grape short of a bunch"...either way, George's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top...he's one brick short of a load?...a dim bulb?...oh, hell...you know what I mean?...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:50:17 AM
Sag, no one cares what you have to say so why don't you just fuck off and die.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:55:56 AM
While cleaning up my favorites file, came upon this oldie but goody. It is by Charles M. Kelly, author of The Great Limbaugh Con--And Other Right-Wing assaults on Common Sense.
While the book dates 1994, the info on the site is always relevant. AnnA
http://web.cetlink.net/~kellycm/
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 11:58:28 AM
Howard Stern is an idiot, he doesn't know anything about politics and he is disgusting. He will do anything for ratings and his character is like most liberal democrats that live in the moral sewer. ............ John
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:04:23 PM
hi i'm new here. someone bring me up to date.
by the way does mike ever leave a message?
don
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:27:18 PM
Al Gore is a hipocrite, he says he is a eviro-geek and yet he is completely silent on the MBTE gasoline additive issue. MBTE is destroying the drinking water in numerous states and yet Al Gore is silent. MBTE could end up destroying 60% of the drinking/bathing water in the United States and yet Al Gore is silent. It will cost billions of dollars to clean up and yet it is still being used. I guess Al Gore only cares about trees and owls.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:36:23 PM
tonight, tonight, won't be just any night
tonight, we will be answered by lar.
tonight, tonight, he'll show us all the light
and we'll wish, we were hit by a car!
today, he didn't have a moment
to put us in our places
and redden up our faces
and feather us with tar
koof freakers fright,
cause he'll be back on site,
no delays
nance decays
tonight!
matt(apologies to stephen sondheim)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:40:04 PM
Lar,
i admit i may have oversimplified your opinion but could you explain to me what the following statement means if it is not to connote the opinion that protecting the environment is ok as long as it doesn't hurt businesses, the ones that mess it up and almost never pay for it, too badly:
"I DOUBT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT ANYONE SAVING A COUPLE BUCKS IS WORTH THIS AMOUNT OF DEATH. But to carry this over and say that because of this, we must pass all these "brownfield-like" laws which are terribly unfair, impose tremendously on business, and hate all conservatives does not make sense to me (not that this is what you do)."
And explain to me in what manner and where agencies of the federal government have "overreacted" to the detriment of business. i don't see any of this going on in Indiana. Exactly what laws do you think are onerous?
"Tom, in addition, I agree that tax supported corporate welfare is a problem. However, I would also propose that, with regards to the environment, that tax supported agencies threatening and overreacting may have to do with why some of these laws have to be fought! "
"overractions and unfair practices by environmentalist groups"
Again, can you document one?
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:41:08 PM
I love the truthseekers bit, Mike Malloy spews out more lies, mis-truths and propaganda then rush limbaugh. Mr Malloy should be thrown off the radio. He is very bias and only lets liberals talk on his show, at least limbaugh will indulge the leftist views. Neither of these talk monkey's will give you the plain truth. When can we get a radio talk show host who will simply deal with facts and not try to put there spin on it. Oh well I'll just go back to listening to Roe and Garry, at least there funny. .................................. John
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:42:45 PM
Why don't I fuck off and die? Because I would be satisfying so many of you sons of bitches...and be honest, wouldn't you miss my bright intellectual patter, my deep thoughts, my brilliance, my eclat, my joie de vive, my splendor, the magic I bring to this site with my political incite and delightful parodies, my delicious sense of humor, my eclectic choice of topics, my thoughtful, inciteful arguments, and last of all my web site www.upyourass.com and my ever present toll free phone number 1-800-EAT-SHIT...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:47:40 PM
Matt, you don't owe apologies to anyone. That was great. Encore!Encore! and now we have John (as in crapper?)...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:50:36 PM
First of all, to the Anonymous Poster who wants to attack Al Gore on the additive issue: LEARN TO SPELL! Why are all you right-wingers so goddam unable to spell simple words? Second, it's fairly apparent your post has to do with attacking the next president of the US, not with addressing an environmental issue. I wonder (no, please don't tell me - just let me wonder) how concerned you are about the massive pollution and environmental destruction that has occurred in Texas on W's watch. So, take your hypocritical statements about Gore and stuff them up your right-wing ass. You neo-Conservatives never fail me. Your ignorance and hypocrisy is endless.
-You can call me Al
PS. Yes, the above post includes a PERSONAL ATTACK! A well-deserved personal attack.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:56:10 PM
john, the laws that lar finds most onerous are probably those concerning necrofilia...that, or the new deal. hard to tell, y'know teeth and all.
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 12:56:31 PM
More housecleaning produced another find. The Real News Page has now become
It is a media critique site, and was invaluable during the impeachment coup.
A must read is Looking Back at the Jones Case.
http://www.americanreview.net/jonesrev.htm
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:00:10 PM
And "JOHN," you're as full of shit as a Chritmas goose regarding Malloy's show. By the way, dip-shit, LEARN TO SPELL!
-You can call me Al
PS. What the fuck is a "mis-truth?" Oh, never mind.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:07:54 PM
Deer Crapper John, I am sarry yew can knot find a desent radio show to lissen tew. Last weak I went to sleep and wen I woke up, there wuz this guy on Art Bell's show that wuz talkin' about hiz colleckshun of toe nail clippings, now that wuz a good show...and then there is Dr. Laura , she iz a good woman, or she looked like it in her nekkid pictures, and she is Republican...and there is Don Wade who is a hunanitarianistic and his slutty wife Roma, and Rush who is a hunanitaristic tew, sew yew have a lot of chooisms to choose frum. If I here of ennything elz I will pass it along cuz I like to help all my fellow maniacistics...yore good harded frend...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:10:53 PM
Fantastic post, AnnA! Kelly's site is one of the best I've ever seen. The phrase "democratic capitalism" nowadays evokes the big neo-con many of us fell for. This site reminds me that it actually means something.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:14:09 PM
Hey, guyz, did you hear that one about old Lar being arrested for statuatory rape?...He pleaded innocent and told the judge, in the first place he didn't know it was a statue and in the second place, he thought it was his wife...she always acted that way...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:36:23 PM
Fantastic post, AnnA! Kelly's site is one of the best I've ever seen. The phrase "democratic capitalism" nowadays evokes the big neo-con many of us fell for. This site reminds me that it actually means something.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 1:57:07 PM
To the guy who berated me for my spelling, you didn't spell christmas right. I guess were both guilty of typos but you liberals can do nothing but use four letters words to respond, how sad. ................ John
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 2:17:39 PM
Sure and liberals are well known for there great intelligence. lol
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 2:25:25 PM
don,
Here’s the news: A. Nanna Mouse thinks SAG is to die for and wants to “do the dirty” with him. Pretty hot site, huh?
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:07:10 PM
Malloy would be proud of this one:
And "JOHN," you're as full of shit as a Chritmas goose regarding Malloy's show. By the way, dip-shit, LEARN TO SPELL!
What kind of goose, you moron?
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:21:10 PM
i REALLY feel BAD for these poor little old corporations, SO PUT UPON by the EPA and environmental wackos and JESUS, can't they understand the idea of a competitive market? Capitalism reigns.
Hughes' Aggressive Growth Strategy Unaffected by GM Stock Transaction / 1 February 2000
Hughes' Aggressive Growth Strategy Unaffected by GM Stock Transaction
Chairman Michael T. Smith Says Company Will Continue Its Focus on Delivery of Business Objectives
EL SEGUNDO, Calif., Feb. 1 -- The announcement today by General Motors Corp. that GM will restructure its economic interest in Hughes Electronics Corporation will have no impact on Hughes' current business plans, or on its strategy to be the world leader in digital entertainment and business communication services, according to Hughes Chairman and CEO Michael T. Smith. The announced actions by GM would, however, provide the flexibility to use the economic interest that it retains in Hughes in a variety of ways, including as a currency for additional GM $1-2/3 stock repurchases, acquisitions, benefit plan contributions, to raise cash proceeds in a tax-efficient manner, or to implement further corporate restructuring, Smith noted.
Smith, who on January 13 announced the sale of Hughes' satellite manufacturing operations and a restructuring of the company into two sectors focused on its consumer and business customer groups, emphasized that Hughes' strategy would focus on fueling the growth of its entertainment and business communication service businesses, and on the successful convergence of technologies for both the consumer and business markets.
"We are focused entirely on the execution and delivery of our business plans," said Smith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOOKIE:
"We believe we can deliver revenue growth in excess of 20 percent, while accelerating our EBITDA performance." EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) is the key measurement used by financial analysts to evaluate the performance of entertainment and communications companies investing heavily in high-growth business activities.
"Also, we are concentrating on the convergence of entertainment, data, voice, internet, and other communications on a variety of platforms, including television, desktop computers, mobile telephones, automobiles, airplanes, and others," said Smith.
"We believe the combination of delivering on our commitments and long-term investment will support great value for our shareholders," said Smith. The year 2000 holds many significant milestones for Hughes. Content enhancements of its DIRECTV(R) service, combined with the continuous addition of local channels in major television markets, have resulted in greater demand for DIRECTV, which is expecting a record year in subscriber growth. Partnerships with Wink and TiVo, which add interactive capabilities to DIRECTV service, will premiere by mid-year.
Also, as part of its previously announced agreement with America Online (AOL), Hughes and AOL will jointly launch a digital interactive service, "AOL Plus by DirecPC," this year. Later, as part of the same agreement, its DIRECTV unit will launch AOL TV, a new content-rich interactive service on the television platform.
Hughes also plans to launch a total of five new satellites for its 81 percent-owned satellite communication services unit, PanAmSat. It will increase its production of DIRECTV set top boxes to meet the growing demands of DIRECTV customers. Its Latin American DIRECTV partnership, Galaxy Latin America, will focus on maintaining strong double digit growth in the key consumer markets of Brazil, Argentina and Mexico.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And Hughes Network Systems continues to maintain more than a 50 percent market share in satellite based business-to-business private network communications, while at the same time investing in the development and deployment of its two-way, broadband Spaceway(TM) system in 2003.
Hughes Electronics is a unit of General Motors Corporation. The earnings of Hughes are used to calculate the earnings per share attributable to the General Motors Class H common stock
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 3:23:44 PM
C H R I T M A S goose you jack-legged freak! Do you think I'm going to use the Lord's name when I'm ripping you a new asshole? Now, back into your slime-bucket!!
- You can call me Al
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 4:14:21 PM
What time round splendour-kindled heavens the stars From east to west far-flashing wheel, and when Man doth forget his toil, in that still hour Athena left the high mansions of the Blest,
110 Clothed her in shape of a maiden tender-fleshed, And came to ships and host. Over the head Of brave Epeius stood she in his dream, And bade him build a Horse of tree: herself Would labour in his labour, and herself Stand by his side, to the work enkindling him. Hearing the Goddess' word, with a glad laugh Leapt he from careless sleep: right well he knew The Immortal One celestial. Now his heart Could hold no thought beside; his mind was fixed
120 Upon the wondrous work, and through his soul Marched marshalled each device of craftsmanship. When rose the dawn, and thrust back kindly night To Erebus, and through the firmament streamed Glad glory, then Epeius told his dream To eager Argives -- all he saw and heard; And hearkening joyed they with exceeding joy. Straightway to tall-tressed Ida's leafy glades The sons of Atreus sent swift messengers. These laid the axe unto the forest-pines,
130 And hewed the great trees: to their smiting rang The echoing glens. On those far-stretching hills All bare of undergrowth the high peaks rose: Open their glades were, not, as in time past, Haunted of beasts: there dry the tree-trunks rose Wooing the winds. Even these the Achaeans hewed With axes, and in haste they bare them down From those shagged mountain heights to Hellespont's shores. Strained with a strenuous spirit at the work Young men and mules; and all the people toiled
140 Each at his task obeying Epeius's hest. For with the keen steel some were hewing beams, Some measuring planks, and some with axes lopped Branches away from trunks as yet unsawn: Each wrought his several work. Epeius first Fashioned the feet of that great Horse of Wood: The belly next he shaped, and over this Moulded the back and the great loins behind, The throat in front, and ridged the towering neck With waving mane: the crested head he wrought,
150 The streaming tail, the ears, the lucent eyes -- All that of lifelike horses have. So grew Like a live thing that more than human work, For a God gave to a man that wondrous craft. And in three days, by Pallas's decree, Finished was all. Rejoiced thereat the host Of Argos, marvelling how the wood expressed Mettle, and speed of foot -- yea, seemed to neigh. Godlike Epeius then uplifted hands To Pallas, and for that huge Horse he prayed:
160 "Hear, great-souled Goddess: bless thine Horse and me!" He spake: Athena rich in counsel heard, And made his work a marvel to all men Which saw, or heard its fame in days to be.
...the Fall of Troy
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:09:53 PM
Well gang, it's been a bit, but I finally drifted back in. Now someone please tell me what's up with the Republican Senate vote today? Can they dress this one up as anything beyond selling out to partisan interests? I've heard nothing but a tsunami of rhetoric about values being the cornerstone for the heart, soul, and agenda for the Republican party. But if it might, MIGHT, make Al Gore look good, they abandon it and run for the hills.
It would be easier to say they finally realized they were wrong and chose to actually punish someone violently protesting a legal procedure, but we know better, right?
Peace, Kevin.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:14:33 PM
MATT, Remember sniffing destroys brain cells!!!!!!
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 5:40:04 PM
Watching the news tonight, Michael Jordan endorsing Bradley for president.
I guess, NO ONE WANTS TO BE LIKE GORE"... IMAGINE THAT.
BUSH 2000
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:18:37 PM
While researching logical fallacies, came across this item. AnnA
http://homes.aol.com/jimn469897/fish.htm
A fish story
Typically, a number of misleading arguments are used together to try to make a point. Here is an example from the beginning of Dixy Lee Ray's Trashing the planet (page 4). Describing a newspaper report on dioxin found in fish downstream from a paper mill, Ray questioned both the methods and the motivation of the scientists involved (my comments in italics):
This is what the reporter wrote. "The flounder contained 1.5 parts per trillion of TCDD, the most potent form of dioxin. Less toxic forms of the chemical were found from 0.2 parts per trillion to 3 parts per trillion. A part per trillion is equivalent to one drop in 25 million gallons."
Now that's good, but how can anyone think that such a small amount of a chemical could be harmful?
There have been a number of studies on the possible effects of dioxin on humans (Ehrlich and Ehrlich pages 167-170). But Ray simply ignored them, and instead appealed to common sense and personal indignation.
The reporter went on to detail how the test was conducted:
"All nine flounder, including their internal organs, which normally contain high levels of pollutants, were blended together for testing."
Note that the 1.5 parts per trillion of dioxin were dispersed among the nine flounder, and the test included the internal organs, which nobody ever eats, and the skin, which nobody ever eats.
Here Ray has added a red herring to the flounder; the test was to check for contamination from the paper mill, not to see if the fish were safe to eat.
If ever there were a misleading way of making a test and laying it out for the public to see, there it is.
More personal indignation.
On the basis of a trivial 1.5 parts per trillion-not per flounder but in the total of nine flounder mashed up together, guts and all-the EPA proposed a national program to examine the aqueous environment around every paper mill in the country!
This is math abuse, Ray has confused a concentration with a quantity. If you poured nine bottles of wine with 12% alcohol into a vat, the result would still be wine with 12% alcohol. Each bottle would not have had one ninth of 12%. Likewise, the 1.5 parts per trillion of TCDD is the average concentration of the chemical in the flounder, not the total amount.
Well, that's one way to keep a job going and to keep spending public money.
Here Ray is making an Ad Hominem argument. The implication is that the EPA employees are more interested in money than the public health, and their results are therefore suspect.
On whose expertise did the EPA rely to decide that one ninth of 1.5 parts per trillion was a sufficient risk to public health to undertake an expensive and extensive nationwide program?
Ray ends with a rhetorical question, and a repeat of the math abuse.
References Ehrlich, Paul and Anne The Betrayal of Science and Reason: How Anti-Environmental Rhetoric Threatens Our Future , Island Press, 1996 Ray, Dixy Lee with Lou Guzzo, Trashing the Planet: How Science Can Help Us Deal with Acid Rain, Depletion of the Ozone, and Nuclear Waste (Among Other Things), HarperPerennial, 1990. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Written by Jim Norton Visit my practical skepticism page Visit my anti-environmental myths home page. The text on these pages may be freely copied, distributed and posted as long as my name, this statement and the URL are included.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:36:59 PM
Here are the rankings Mike is discussing.
john (hp)
Texas Rankings Under Bush: Good Enough for You?
AUSTIN, TEXAS -- A quick look at Texas under Bush:
National Ranking
Among 50 States
The Education Governor
Teacher salaries at beginning of 1st term 36 (1)
Teacher salaries at beginning of 2nd term 38 (1)
% Change in Average Salaries 1987-97 constant $ -5.4%
Teacher salaries plus benefits 50 (1)
High school completion rate 46 (2)
Bush Family Values
Highest number of children living in poverty 2 (3)
Highest number of children without health insurance 2 (3)
Highest % of children without health insurance 1 (3)
Highest % of poor working parents without insurance 1 (3)
Highest % of population with
out health insurance 2 (3)
Highest Teen Birth Rate 5 (4)
Per capita funding for public health 48 (4)
Delivery of social services 47 (4)
Mothers receiving prenatal care 45 (9)
Teen smoking - down nationally, flat in Texas (5)
Teen drug use - down nationally, up in Texas (5)
Pollution
Pollution released by manufactuting plants 1 (6)
Pollution by industrial plants in violation of Clean Air Act 1 (6)
Greenhouse gas emissions 1 (6)
Quality of Life
Spending for parks and recreation 48 (7)
Spending for the arts 48 (7)
Public libraries and branches 46 (8)
Spending for the environment 49 (7)
Best place to raise children 48 (9)
Sources: (1) National Education Agency, (2) U.S. Department of Education Office of Educational Research and Development (3) U.S. Bureau of Census, Current Populations Trends (4) U.S. Dept Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics (5)1998 Texas School Survey of Substance Use Among Students: Grades 7-12, Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse (6) U.S. EPA, Office of Pollution and Prevention (7) Texas Observer (8) Statistical Rankings by State (9) Children's Rights Council
from Bushwatch
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3750/documentation.htm
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:52:45 PM
The Institute For Conspiracy Heritage has referred to Bob Kerry as “lightbulb head” for years.
So stuff your political correctness.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 6:57:58 PM
watt?
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:03:45 PM
Mike Malloy is certainly on his game tonight...great stuff...how could ANYONE not want to listen to the best talk show host this side of anywhere? How can you fmrs question the truths he dispenses? How can you be so dense? It is all too puzzling for me. You are enigmas. Puzzles who are puzzled. Fizzles who will fizzle. Lissen up! Wisen up!...SAG
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:23:51 PM
Someone help me,
i remember a couple of volk mentioning the other day how wonderful they thought Dr. Laura is; she's so moral, she's so right on the issues; etc, etc. Let's overlook the fact that she would feel safe under martial law, she said this in a column, i think before you can be a moral person you have to be in control of your faculties. This is, ion fact reflected in our law. i want to send a challenge out to the people who just love Dr. Laura: can you explain to me the logic of the following quote i took out of The Advocate? In particular i am wondering how she gets from equal rights for gays to beatiality? What LOGICAL connection is there; i cannot see one. Please help.
Equal rights for gays: “Rights? For sexual deviants, sexual behavior, there are now rights? That’s what I’m worried about with the pedophilia and the bestiality and the sadomasochism and the cross-dressing. Is this all going to be rights too? Why does deviant sexual behavior get rights?”
http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/805/805_drlauraexcrpt.html
john (hp)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:27:00 PM
An AMPOL reader tells it like it is:
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The Ampol Mailbag
From: John Mark
Re.: NEW HAMPSHIRE / HEY AL! WELCOME YOUR ASSOCIATION WITH CLINTON
For months and months the corporate whores in the media have been telling us how far behind Al Gore was in New Hampshire. Now they say that a four percentage point win was a "squeaker." Well, Gore's victory is a landslide in anyone's book -- and he is sure to go on to the Democratic Party nomination.
John McCain is making the GOP establishment eat crow, big time. People instinctively dislike Bush, the chosen prince of big time corrupted politics. We think the public has figured this out. Bush can go on hawking his tax cut or Whatever bogus policy he chooses and he will still be rejected.
Hey, GOP money men: better climb on the McCain bandwagon while you have the chance. But no matter what your crooked GOP establishment does, Al Gore is going to be the next president and will carry forward the immensely popular policies of Bill Clinton. William Jefferson Clinton is one of the most popular presidents ever at this stage of the game -- as the Wa$hington press corps is oh-so-loath to admit.
That's right. President Clinton is one of the most revered presidents in history. Somehow the lying, scheming corporate whores who pass themselves off as "journalists" cannot stand this fact. The President has earned his standing with the populace -- and Al Gore should not ignore the solid record of achievements the two of them have succeeded in creating.
Dire consequences were predicted by the House and Senate Republicans when the Democrats, led by Clinton-Gore, passed the Budget Act of 1993. This was a "humongous" tax increase that had the wealthy paying taxes for the first time since Reagan's 1983 tax cut. This budget act is the main reason for our prosperity today. It began the process of lowering the yearly budget deficit. Of course, the wealthy screamed at having to pay taxes again. The wealthy consider their mere presence in the USA to be a gift to the poor. "Trickle down," they call it.
Well, Clinton took the bull by the horns and taxed the rich to benefit everyone. It turns out the economy is so much better that even the wealthy are doing better by paying taxes. The privileged couldn't keep the tax cut erection stiff even with the Republican crooks they employ in the Congress. Everyone's making beaucoup bucks -- give the government it's share.
All you wealthy W. Bush contributors: do you really want to rock the boat? Don't you think that a return to W. Bush style economics will kill the golden goose?
Ahoy! GORE! Don't fear your association with Bill Clinton. Embrace him. Bill Clinton is the greatest asset you have going for you. The People realize that Bill Clinton has been the engine of our success. Do not fear Clinton's minor transgressions, the public sees them for what they are. If you really want to take off in the polls embrace Bill Clinton and show the extreme damage a new trickle-down, pantywaisted Bush Presidency would bring.
By the way... the clear arguments to be used over and over on Bush are that his 'Trickle Down, Voodoo Economics' will only lead to an added $5 trillion in debt. He is a wishy-washy, pantywaisted coward, just like his father.
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At least the corporate whores get paid for their slimy work. What's the excuse for you FMR bozos who infest this site?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:34:28 PM
Listen up— I am me. No one else is me. You can not be me because that is me. Perhaps you can become metoo or me2 metwo—but just remember this… I am the only me so go get you a me of your own.
I AM ME!
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:36:30 PM
buy the way, buy the way, buy the way? yeah, Mr. Me, or Ms. or Miss or Mrs. Me. Mrs. Me, what way have you bought?
Bought the game, bought the gravesite, bought the bucket, bought the farm.
BUY?
BTW, it's By
bye bye now
De
PS: AnnA -- your EPA post has the whole story in a capsule. EPA has been bought (past tense of buy, Mrs. Me) and paid for.
bye now.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:39:32 PM
For those of you who don't believe Dr. Laura gets giddy over martial law, just read this from her Jewish World Review column.
john (hp)
"when I felt completely safe in my hometown of Los Angeles. It was after the major earthquake in 1994, and the National Guard was everywhere. There they were, it seemed, on every corner -- uniformed, armed, ammunition slung across their chests, ready. As I recall, there was absolutely no crime in Los Angeles at that time -- no break-ins, no holdups, no car-jackings. Nada. The bad guys obviously didn't want to risk getting shot.
I went on the air then and said, "Gee, why can't these guys just stay here?" and everyone freaked out. Now, I knew then and know now that that's not what the National Guard is for, but it was nice to feel so secure for those few weeks."
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/dr/laura.html
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:41:07 PM
de, buy me a plot.
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 7:54:44 PM
Francis,
sell me a plot?
William
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:00:38 PM
john (hp),
please don’t make me think. arrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg oouuuuuuouuuccccchhhhh
nevermind. We love the volk.
I feel so much better now. Thank you Rush, I mean Laura, I mean Fuhrer!
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:10:13 PM
By the waters of Babylon, we sat down an wept, and wept for Thee, Zion.
Buy the waters of Iiindy, we satdown and wept...and wept...
on the willows we hung up our harps... How can we sing the Mother's song in a strange land?
Guru-Agua
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:11:12 PM
Hey me,
Suck me off.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:22:36 PM
John, it is REALLY beyond me how ANYONE can listen to Lah-Tee-Dah without puking their brains out.
HEY! Maybe THAT'S it. yeah, must be.
The woman is sick. She lives in a Salvador Dali painting. She's a Freakin' Bleedin' Rorschach Blot!
De
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:25:34 PM
matt, buy you a blot? De
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:27:07 PM
http://www.melvindesign.com/sailormoon/inkblot.htm
Laura test?
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:29:59 PM
yesterday, when lar said that he was far away
he'd be back then there'd be hell to pay
and i believe'd him, yesterday
why we
have to go
unreplied
he didn't say.
we read,
nancy's dead
freakers dread
the end of day.
yesterday
matt(apologies to paul mccartney)
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:30:20 PM
http://www3.50megs.com/truepatriots/whiteriver/flashpage.htm
INDY RORSCHACH FISH BLOT EPA TEST
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:45:38 PM
Dear I AM ME,
If you were pregnant, then you would be I AM ME X 2. Then who would YOU be?
Huh?
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:50:59 PM
http://www.starnews.com/news/citystate/2000/feb/0202st_cleanair.html
Put the pink polka-dot pajamas on the circus bear and put her in the ring. we get a performance from the circus ringmasters, now?
wow.
what a great place. breathe, but don't drink.
Kali-D
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:56:33 PM
Not meeting air quality attainment levels can limit industrial growth or require the imposition of things such as mandatory auto emissions testing.
UH-HUH. how awful. limit industrial growth AT THE COST OF WHAT?
MANDATORY EMISSION TESTING???
'LIBERAL' THUMBSUCKERS. ENVIRONMENTAL WACKO-S!
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 8:57:50 PM
de, barnum said "every crowd has a silver lining"
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:02:46 PM
yep, ol Reagan was indeed a windbag. must have been a bunch of sore butts when that one finally ended. not to mention the brain dead, glazed eyeballed upset stomachs sitting in all those folding chairs in the Mall of the Americas.
TJ had a lot to look at from Potamac River Basin. Monica must have been a relief to Mr. Jefferson after all those Republican Retards boozin' on the balcony of the White House stoop.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:03:16 PM
Malloy, did you REALLY refer to Al Gore as a CONSERVATIVE?!!!! Well if that doesn't speak volumes about you. Your bio is wrong. Your easy to pigeon hole. I wasn't because you were in the south that you were perceived as "ultra-liberal". Hell, there isn't any question of it. Incidentally, you're no democrat either. Truman was a democrat. Johnson was a democrat. You, sir, are a socialist as plain as day.
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:08:40 PM
"Well, Jimmy. There you go."
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:11:10 PM
Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born. -- Ronald Reagan
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:13:35 PM
Ronald Reagan as quoted in The New York Times Magazine, November 14, 1965
"If liberals can't beat you, if they're losing on the issues, they do one of two things. They either call you a bigot or a racist. Or they sue you."
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:18:06 PM
"where's the rest of me?"
ronald reagan
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:47:32 PM
Time: the pressant.
With futurist onehorse balletbattle pictures and the Pageant of Past History worked up with animal variations amid everglaning mangrovemazes and beorbtracktors by Messrs Thud andBlunder. Shadows by the film folk, masses by the good people. Promptings by Elanio Vitale. Longshots, upcloses, outblacks and stagetolets by Hexenschuss, Coachmaher, Incubone and Rocknarrag. Creations tastefully designed by Madame Berthe Delamode. Dances arranged by Harley Quinn and Coollimbeina. Jests, jokes, jigs and jorums for the Wake lent from the properties of the late cemented Mr T. M. Finnegan R.I.C. Lipmasks and hairwigs by Ouida Nooikke. Limes and Floods by Crooker and Toll. Kopay pibe by Kappa Pedersen. Hoed Pine hat with twentyfour ventholes by Morgen. Bosse and stringbag from Heteroditheroe's and All Ladies' presents. Tree taken for grafted. Rock rent. Phenecian blends and Sourdanian doofpoosts by Shauvesourishe and Wohntbedarft. 2.1.221
g'night de.
matt
Date: 2/2/00
Time: 9:51:21 PM
Making fun of someone with a disease is just disgusting, are you going to start on Michael J Fox next or maybe Janet Reno.
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 12:30:56 PM
Yesterday VILLAGEIDIOT2000 informed us that Michael Jordan endorsed Bradley. How fitting that an overpaid jagoff who made big bucks endorsing a $110 shoe made by 5-year old girls for 10 cents a day would also endorse a stealth Republican for President. What's new about that?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 1:22:40 PM
Hey, did you hear that Al Gore took a IQ test...it came back negative. lol lol
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 1:31:15 PM
Kinda like Bradley's democratic voting record, huh?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 1:40:12 PM
Where did the Reagan speeches go.....I guess the liberals can't stand the great communicator.
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 1:42:30 PM
I like mike but he can't play baseball and he doesn't know politics!!!!
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 2:37:43 PM
To all truth seekers, please check out www.vote-smart.org......you might be surprised by many candidates for different offices..... Be well and prosper all, Greg from Uptown
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 2:55:12 PM
Bradley a LIberal? oh come on Jim. you have to be kidding yourself, cause you ain't kidding anyone else.. Bradley is more liberal then Gore....
BUSH 2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 3:47:29 PM
And hate to tell you, Jordan is a Democrat...
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 3:50:18 PM
Yesterday, Democarat Presidential candidate, Bill Bradley made an appearance at the Spread-a-Little Sunshine Nursing Home in southwest New Hampshire. Word from his aids was that he was there to "show support" to the patients at this suburban home for the elderly-impaired.
The employees at the Sunshine were on strike protesting low wages, under staffing at the facility and generally poor employment conditions. Mr. Bradley informed them that he, as a democrat who knew what it was to have to work for a living and that he was behind them 100%. "Many times I, too have felt the cut that only comes when someone points their finger at you and says,"you just haven't made our team." "I know what it means when someone says,'sorry, that's just the way the old ball bounces.' And many times I have felt the agony of defeat by being undermanned. You strikers must learn to fight the good fight, never cry foul, look towards that big goal and score. Keep your eyes on your opponet, never endulge in trash talk, and remember that life is just a game and when the whistle is blown by that big referree in the sky and there is no over time left on the clock, you will be prepared to meet your team manager unafraid because you have given the game your very best."
As he was giving his pep talk to the strike members of the work force of this home for the aged, he was accompanied by his newest supporter, basketball great, Michael Jordan, who said,"I agree with evrerything Bill has said. Keep your eyes on the goal. See how many points you can score with the cats that are supporting you, and you will come out on top."
As the two were leaving, playfully mimicking a one on one game, and being cheered by the work crew, tiny 90 year old Germaine Adams suddenly fell. As she lay there waiting for aid, and calling,"I have fallen and I can't get up," Jordan and Bradley, showing concern for the strikers, stopped, Melvin Belvins, one of the aids as he bent to assist her. "Man, I'm supporting YOU, said Jordan, let it be."
Bradley said that as soon as he got his health care plan through the Congress, he would be back, in the mean time he agreed with Jordan, "Let her be", he told the aid,"You pick her up now, she will expect aid in the future. All these old people are the same. First it's "I'm falling" and then it's "where's the beef?"...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 3:51:20 PM
The Setup
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,SAV-0002030067,FF.html
BRADLEY, GORE TAKE FIGHT TO NEW BATTLEGROUNDS
By Naftali Bendavid and Julie Deardorff, Tribune Staff Writers
February 3, 2000
NEW YORK -- Vice President Al Gore and former Sen. Bill Bradley followed up their bitter New Hampshire race Wednesday by plunging into New York, one of their next big battlegrounds, and the contest showed little sign of losing its intensity or personal hostility.
Bradley demanded that Gore apologize for his supporters' treatment of Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), a Bradley backer, at a campaign event in New Hampshire.
Gore, meanwhile, broke off campaigning in New York and flew to Washington for a possible tie-breaking vote on an abortion-related amendment--only to have Senate Republicans deprive him of the opportunity for the dramatic gesture.
Bradley, pushing ahead with his message that Gore represents "old politics," cited Kerrey's account of an encounter with Gore followers Sunday, when Kerrey arrived at a Gore event to talk to reporters. He was denied entrance to the press center, but reporters came out to talk to him.
Kerrey, a Vietnam veteran who lost part of his leg during an assault on a Viet Cong outpost and received the Medal of Honor, said Gore supporters at the event called him "cripple," though reporters on the scene did not hear that and said the word may have been "quitter."
"(Cripple) was the only accurate thing they said all night," Kerrey said later.
Bradley said Wednesday that Gore bears some responsibility. "When the campaign insults a man of honor like Bob Kerrey, (Gore) should take responsibility and there should be an apology," Bradley told a packed room at Judson Memorial Church on New York University's campus. "It's an attitude that allows these kinds of things to happen."
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Looks kinda bad for ol' Al, doesn't it?
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 3:54:02 PM
The Setup
The Replay
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Kerrey, a Vietnam veteran who lost part of his leg during an assault on a Viet Cong outpost and received the Medal of Honor, said Gore supporters at the event called him "cripple," though reporters on the scene did not hear that and said the word may have been "quitter."
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One more time: "reporters on the scene did not hear that and said the word may have been 'quitter.'"
Can you spell Reichstag?
jiminlisle
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 4:10:45 PM
Presidential Candidate, Al Gore, campaigning for president, said today that he had been unfairly attacked by his opponet, Bill Bradley over the week end. "My staff nor none of my supporters would ever call Mr. Kerry a cripple.," he said. That statement was verified by Kerrey himself, on a news program when he said,"It was just kid on the side walk...nothing important."
But today, Bradley persisted in his accusations saying that Gore owed Kerrey an apology. Gore, naturally uncomfortable at being placed in such a position,tried to ignore the remark and get on with more substantial issues of the campaign. Bradley was not having any of this.
"I want to know where his campaign contributions are coming from", said Bradley, who was interrupted by a phone call from the RNC and paused in his conference while he took the message from an unknown "friend." I want to know his REAL stand on the environment", he added as aide Jack Kemp, his buddy during the Reagan years, approached. "I demand to know how he really feels about dogs pissing on trees. Too long has he dwelled on petty issues. I want to know how he feels about the different colors of band aids, and how many quarters he thinks makes a ball game. He has got to learn the rules of the game, that you do not indulge in trash talk or someone will blow the whistle, charge you with a foul and you may be out of the game."
His cohort, basketball great,Michael Jordan, nodding his head at every word uttered by the man he is said to be supporting, is rumored as being considered for a cabinet post if Bradley is indeed elected. "This will be a newly created postion", said Bradley. "Michael will be head of the "Black Who Bounces Back" committee, this post guarantees all retired NBA basket ball players life long governmental protection against prosecution from anything. In the recent episodes of black athletes being accused of wife beating, murder, and various other crimes, for a small donation to my campaign, they will be given immunity to any police action. While Michael is an exemplar of good behaviour, many of his brothers do step out of line and need this protection. I will see that these athletic jocks are granted that privelige."
Buying protection is a common practice among politicians and with equality of the races, will become more and more apparent.
Jordan hugged Bradley in gesture of camradity as he handed him a check for an unspecified amount..."for my people", said Jordan.
"For my purse", said Bradley...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 4:25:39 PM
Get them white sheets out, boys!
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http://www.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/02/03/bob_jones/index.html
Jonesing for votes
George W. Bush's speech at a college that bans interracial dating raises questions about his compassion.
By Jake Tapper
Feb. 3, 2000 | Self-proclaimed "compassionate conservative" George W. Bush spoke Wednesday morning at Bob Jones University, a Greenville, S.C., school that bans interracial dating on campus.
"The governor doesn't agree with that policy," noted Bush campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker. "But this is a school that has a lot of conservative voters, and it's a common stop on the campaign trail."
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What a piece of Ku Klux shit!
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 4:32:33 PM
Sure, BUSH, that's why you like Bradley so much... because he's a liberal.
Yeah, right.
jiminlisle
PS - And we know the REAL Bush likes him just as much.
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 4:39:53 PM
COME ON EVERYONE....GIVE BUSH A PUSH...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 4:52:01 PM
George W. Bush met with students at a chapel service at Bob Jones University on a campus in South Carolina yesterday. Bowing his head reverently while he counted his fingers and toes to make sure they equalled the usual number, 11, he listened while the minister praised him as a true conservative and dedicated the hymn, "Our God And Saviour of Years Past, Our Hope For Years To Come" to him.
Bob Jones is a very conservative university, insisting that the male students dress in suits and females must wear dresses at all times.
The Dubya was heard to say,"Hail, I thought I was gonna git me a piece of tail out here, but those little heifers got it all covered up." And then, looking on the bright side, he grinned that famous lop sided grin and said,"But I guess the best surprise is the unwrapping."
He was seen handing out his "Give Bush A Push" t-shirts to college students and even had the minister dressed in one before he left the college grounds to attend his drugs anonymous meeting accompanied by aides who said the meeting was being held in a garage in the "dark" side of town. This reporter could not find the exact location. Everyone seemed to be pretty well lit...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:04:37 PM
Well Mike was right again !!!!! After the NH primaries the man who has half his brain up his ass just to make it fair ranted on and on about the "indipendant" voters . The jackass forgot to mention that McCain took all republican votes in all demographics. What say Rush is it hard to be so stupid or are you that afraid/bought by the money in your party. All you didiots should know that Rush is always searching for the truth so he can do a fast 180 away from it.This is the same fool who claimed Clinton governed against the will of the people then accused him of only goveerning by polls. As always Mike is upfront and tells it like it is ,even republicans should realize that. Don't be afraid of the the Monkey Hunter dave Kitchener
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:12:26 PM
George W. Bush today called John McCain an "insurrectionist".
George W. Bush said he was a true conservative, a compassionate man who represented what South Carolina stood for. State's rights, translated racism, right to work laws, anti-union, anti-people legislation. The same old rhetoric supported by his "friend" and cohort, Dan Quayle, his father and that great deficator, Ronald Reagan.
This man is dangerous. He is a puppet working for corporate interests, supported by right wingers who would strip us of our priveliges as citizens with the appointment of a Supreme Court who would rule the land with the iron clad fists of fascists.
Dan Quayle comes from a family in Indiana who are the very foundation of the John Birch Society, an extremist right wing organization that would put every free thinking invidvidual in a virtual prison. The family owns newspapers all over the US..have a large interest in the media in McCain's home state of Arizona which may explain the difficulty and the rumors circulating about McCain in his home state. Bush thinks he has all the ground covered. And thanks to moneyed connections, he probbly does.
McCain is a dangerous conservative. Don't let him fool you. He is just more covert. His voting records attest to his leanings. Lyndsey Graham,one of the instruments who worked so hard against President Clinton, attests to that fact...McCain is an evil, sinister, conservative who will try to get himself elected by acting the rebel..representing the "little man". The "little man" should resent that title. There are no "little men". There are only hard working individuals who have a right to expect decent health care, union benefits, pensions, a decent place to live, good schools, the rights of freedom of choice and liberty and justice for all...not just the ones who can afford it.
We MUST defeat these peddlers of lies and hypocracy. WE MUST...
Give Bush a Push..push right off the Amerian scene..send him back to Texas.
Don't let McCain reign..let him go back to Arizona and retire...VietNam vet? There are lots of Viet Nam vets...he is just one of them who is trying to parlay that misfortune in his life into the white house..let's rid ourselves of these Republican conservative monsters who are trying to manipulate our feelings and passions. Ignore the media who are promoting them. Use your God given right as citizens to exercise those rights and vote for yourself...VOTE GORE!...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:37:01 PM
Never said that I liked Bradley. I said, that if a democrat HAD to win, I hope it's Bradley, at least he isn't a liar like Gore.
SAG... Are you a little nervous????? GOD, if it isn't Bush you have to worry about, now it's Mccain..... Sounds to me that you know, either of these guys, but most likely Mccain, could TEAR GORE A NEW ASS....
OH LIFE IS GOOD..
BUSH OR MCCAIN 2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:42:19 PM
I still like Bush, however I would be more then willing to accept Mccain as president...
You know, somtimes you just have to make sacrafices........
HOWS THIS SAG MONSTER.... GO REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!!!!!!!
Any guy who won't leave the war, because his fellow men were still there, is more of a man then you will ever be... How close have you been to the military sag boy??? BOYCOTTING?
BUSH/MCCAIN 2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:42:34 PM
John (hp)
"Ben,
look you and i are not going to agree on much of anything especially since
you keep ignoring the fact that you are making my point for me. let me just
use one example. There is a difference between the term for wife and
betrothed virgin; "
No duh John, Ive been trying to say that this whole time. The punishment for the woman IF she had been a betrothed virgin would have been stoning to death. But since she was married and there was no witness ("in the very act" is "autophoros" in the Greek, it means "self detected", she gave herself up and was not caught with the guy as it would appear in the English translation), thus, the curses in Numbers 5 applies. That was why the death penalty didnt apply, not because Jesus annulled it. You are drawing a conclusion that just isnt there.
Thanks for checkin' in John
Ben
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:48:41 PM
I think it is just wonderfull, that finnaly the media and Americans are figuring out what gore really is.... A F..king Stupid Hillbilly...
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:50:45 PM
Bush 2000...My hot line 1-800-EAT SHIT is now open. Operators are standing by to accept your call. We appreciate your call and want you to know that it will be accepted in the order recieved. If line remains busy go to our on line address www.upyourass.com...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:52:10 PM
Ben..I will pray for you...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:58:22 PM
Latest from the Indy Star - White River
De
http://www.starnews.com/news/special/access/2000/feb/0203st_onrecord.html
"On The Record" Access becomes even more crucial when an environmental disaster strikes
By Kyle Niederpruem /The Indianapolis Star
They tell us how an event may have occurred, shedding light on histories, relationships, sins and omissions of the past.
That's true for the catastrophe in the White River, where 88 tons of fish were wiped out by an unknown contaminant.
Public records also tend to evaporate quickly once an investigation is under way. That's because an exemption allowed under state law can be used broadly to deny access once an investigation is launched.
A public agency such as the Indiana Department of Environmental Management has seven days -- once a request is filed in writing -- to respond. The deadline, however, does not pertain to actual delivery of those records. A verbal or faxed request to any government agency can speed up the process.
On Jan. 10, The Indianapolis Star filed a specific request for public records related to Guide Corp. and the Anderson Wastewater Treatment Plant. Two days later, state officials opened up boxes of photocopied files and let anyone take a gander.
But many of the records had no relationship or relevance to the incident in question. Guide Corp. continues to be the only company named by the state as the possible source of the toxic chemical that wiped out the fish.
No charges, either civil or criminal, have been filed.
The state also has hired Linda Pence, a well-known private attorney, to assist in this case. Pence may be asked to review records requests, an unusual task for a private lawyer who is not a government official and is not the legal custodian of those records.
Attorney-client privilege also now can be invoked to declare certain records off-limits, a maneuver not easily subject to challenge.
What's perhaps even more surprising in the White River fish kill is that few people in the community or environmentalists have requested public records -- even to check on the state's track record of regulatory oversight in this instance.
The one persistent question on everyone's mind: What or who killed the fish? The state still has no answer.
Public records are key to a critical review of a disaster of this proportion. Were regulatory agencies doing all they could, for example? If it happens again, how will the public be better protected?
Put simply, the public has a right to know all of the above.
It's important to put those issues in perspective. It's important to have access to complete information and to the officials who can best answer pressing questions.
A Republican lawmaker, whose politics can't be discounted in this instance, has an amendment to a bill ready to go -- basically a records request that would become a state law. It would be a mandate to the environmental agency to produce a comprehensive, public report on its findings. The report would be due in August. But so far, the proposal is going nowhere.
If you're interested in checking out some of these files, here's a quick list of some documents that are public records -- and maintained in public file rooms:
• State inspection reports. The state inspects municipal treatment plants that have discharge permits to public waters. They're called NPDES permits. The state is required once a year to inspect these facilities. These reports are kept in the 12th floor file room of the Department of Environmental Management offices in the Indiana Government Center North. We've posted the report from the state's Dec. 20 inspection at the Anderson plant.
• Permits. The city of Anderson issues permits to industrial dischargers. Guide Corp. is identified as a significant industrial user and releases its pretreated wastewaters to city sewers. Permits issued by the city set limits for the compounds in those wastewaters, such as metals. City officials use these permits to measure the materials coming into its plant for treatment. After treatment, millions of gallons of wastewater a day are released into the White River. We've posted the permit issued to Guide by the city of Anderson.
• City inspection reports. The city of Anderson inspects the industries that discharge into its plant. Those records are kept by the city at its treatment plant. We've posted the inspection of Guide Corp. conducted by city officials Dec. 15. That inspection took place just a few days after the city's plant spilled out a foamy discharge that may have carried a still unidentified toxic pollutant.
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 5:59:13 PM
SAGboy, I tried to call your line, however, the line is busy, you must be on line again... You know, that site you always go to ... www.gayboy.com
B/M2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:08:27 PM
DE...GREAT JOB...almost under the covers...SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:10:53 PM
GIVE BUSH A PUSH.........................SAG
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:19:31 PM
NEW YORK POST MARCH 26, 1999
AL GORE: LIKE A BAD DOG FOOD.
A MID-FEBRUARY national poll asked an unusual question. The answers may well set the shape of a plausible Gore/Bush presidential election in 2000, and the direction of America after that.
But first, a Madison Ave Fable. Seeking to produce a new dog food, a big corporation set market researchers, food chemist and advertising agencies to work. The experts came up with a new product they were proud of. The dog food sold well, for a while. Then it slumped. Puzzled, the corporate executives commissioned a public opinion firm to see what was wrong. Soon, the answer came back, "The Dogs don't like it"... Therefore what? Consider these speculatins, 1. Bill Bradley will do far better than expected in the 2000 primaries, 2, Democrats who have decided not to run, Sen Bob Kerrey, and Sen John Kerry, to name two, will reconsider, and what about Sen Joe Lieberman? 3. Democratic candidates will start distancing themselves from Gore, just as Gore distances himself from Clinton, and 4. George w Bush will be the next president, with a Republican house and Senate, a matter you should consider.
BUSH/MCCAIN 2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:30:17 PM
Bush-Baby rerun. AnnA
http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/ivins2.htm
Molly Ivins
Money makes politics go 'round, and America's laws as well
AUSTIN -- There may yet be some instructive points to be mined from the New Hampshire primary. Perhaps the most important of these is that George W. Bush is not the front-runner because he is the most able or effective candidate. He is the front-runner because he raised so much money early.
He is not the front-runner because he has a splendid record as the governor of a large state. (He has been a so-so governor of Texas, a record that qualifies him to be lieutenant governor of Texas -- which, as all Texans know, is the more powerful office.) He is the front-runner because he has $70 million in his campaign kitty.
And thereby hangs a tale. He has already spent $37 million, which is almost as much as the Democratic nominee will have to spend on his entire campaign up to election day, since the D will abide by spending limits in order to qualify for federal matching funds. Bush has raised so much money that he's well beyond needing federal funds and their accompanying limits.
Where does Bush's money come from? Most of it is from a loophole in the campaign finance laws called "bundling." In theory, individual contributors are limited to giving $1,000 to a candidate (soft money contributed to a political party has no limits).
How does bundling work? Take Vinson, Elkins -- the Houston law firm and lobbying power in Washington. V-E the law firm can't give anything to Bush. But two senior partners are Bush "Pioneers," each committed to raising $100,000 for W.
According to an article by Michael Isikoff in the Jan. 24 `Newsweek,' the two Pioneers arranged for their partners, associates and the spouses thereof to contribute a total of $185,000 to Bush's campaign. Some contributors give $1,000 in the names of their small children or grandchildren.
`Newsweek' also reports that at the annual meeting of FirstEnergy Corp. in Ohio, the company's general counsel got up and made a pitch for Bush and then passed out donation forms. Within a few days, he had $72,000 for Bush, all of it "strictly voluntary."
`Newsweek' reports that FirstEnergy was recently sued by the Environmental Protection Agency on grounds of violating the Clean Air Act. As Texans know to their cost, Bush favors "voluntary" compliance with clean air standards.
This form of bundling leads into a larger form of bundling, by industry. The Bush campaign has assigned "tracking code" numbers to trade associations so it can keep track of contributions by special-interest groups -- as in $500,000 from the food-marketing industry, $350,000 from the chemical manufacturers, and $1 million from oil. Must be hard to know whether to put the V-E contribution under energy, banking or gambling, since V-E lobbies for all three.
Another quite extraordinary article in the February issue of `Harper's' magazine by Joe Conason, one of the best investigative reporters in the country, reports not only on Bush's old and odd financial dealings in oil and baseball but also has a breathtaking account of the "privatization" of about half of the University of Texas System's Permanent University Fund and how it has been consistently used to benefit an interconnected web of major Republican donors. (R.G. Ratcliffe of the `Houston Chronicle' also deserves credit for ground-breaking reporting on this story.)
Now add to these two articles a piece in the Feb. 7 `Time' by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele, the best investigative reporters in the country, on what exactly political contributions buy and what exactly they cost you.
Barlett and Steele conclude that the country is divided into first- and second-class citizens. The 200 million citizens and millions of corporations that don't give campaign contributions suffer the following:
* "You pick up a disproportionate share of America's tax bill."
* "You pay a higher price for a broad range of products, from peanuts to prescription drugs."
* "You pay taxes that others in a similar situation have been excused from paying."
* "You are compelled to abide by laws while others are granted immunity from them."
* "You must pay debts that you incur while others do not."
* "You are barred from writing off on your tax return some of the money spent on necessities while others deduct the cost of their entertainment."
* "You must run your business by one set of rules while the government creates another set for your competitors."
Barlett and Steele give case studies on all these inequities. And this is why we think campaign finance reform matters more than education, health, abortion, jobs and all the other issues. Because until we end this corruption, we're not going to get policies that treat us equally under the law.
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:37:37 PM
AL GORE'S ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. YOU GUYS HAVE TO READ THIS!!! THIS IS WHAT AL GORE REALLY IS ALL ABOUT.
Al Gore recently advised the world that the "problem" of global warming was not just the concern of the developed (ie..polluting) nations but also a concern for the develpoing nations.
You see, it's not just cars that are a threat to the Earth, but people too. Yes, people. I know what your thinking.. "he couldn't have meant that". but he did!!! He warned that a lot of people make a lot of pollution and man, are there a lot of people in the developing world, or what?
If a Republican had made that statement the headlines would have read, REPBLICANS CLAIM THERE ARE TOO MANY DARK SKINNED PEOPLE OR REPUBLICANS CALL FOR POPULATION CAP ON DARK SKINNED PEOPLE. So why didn't that happen when Gore called for fewer dark skinned people?
Well, the liberal media bias is non reason. After all, when a liberal calls for populatin controls on Non European males it must be for a good reason, so theres no harm and no need to look more closely at what was said.
Not so fast, though. In previous socialist movements there have been calls for the reduction in the populations of non European males, "so that we all may live better". The reasoning was much the same, we need "better living space" so the "bad" must first be removed. Only now the "bad" are people who use technology and or people who living in "developing nations". Anyone with an almanac can tell you the race of most developing nations. It's almost all non white and definitely all non white European male.
So why does Al Gore really want to reduce the populations of non white countries? It can;'t simply be because of global warming. These nations could adopt draconion laws about polluting, after all, and become eco-paradises. If they don't pollute than wheres the problem?
The real problem for Al Gore and his eco-allies is that these people make poor candidates for the new eco-socialism. They either already live in socialist countries, and thus want to follow the same path as the XSSR, or they live in countries where capitalism is taking them from ready made dependents to economic un dependents and thus unlikely to sesire statist nannyism government.
So how better to reign in these future non socialist than to apply politically correct racial population controls in the name of the greater good?!
The problem, Mr. Gore, is that this smacks of racial genocide and the worst of Nazi prpaganda. We do not need fewer dark skinned people to all live better, we need fewer eco-loons and less eco-nonsense. So put your population controls back in the socialist bad idea box from whence they came as well as the rest of your eco-nonsense!!
BUSH/MCCAIN 2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:38:44 PM
Ben,
You never cease to amaze me: if you are sticking to the letter of Scripture why is the woman's husband not mentioned? According to Numbers 5 the woman's husband has to ask for the ritual because he is the one afflicted with the spirit of jealousy.
Why does it seem to bother you so much that in the construction of his narrative the Johannine author(s) borrowed from different points of the law? Does it make you wet your pants to believe that the elaboration of the faith isn't the pure Truth that has been spoon-fed to you? Why is it you conservative Christians have an understanding of the true and the good that looks more like Plato's discussion of truth than Scriptures? Why do you have to portray Jesus as a guy looking for the loopholes in Scripture? Why do you have to portray Jesus as a two bit birthday party magician?
"Watch me pull some fish and bread out of my hat." Ben 3.19
Why can't you admit that Jesus was giving this woman her life as he would sacrifice his own later?
john (hp)
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:49:56 PM
"B/M2000"? Ya gotta love it - an admission straight from the horse's ass that the conservate movement ain't nothin' but a bowel movement.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:51:31 PM
That last post should have read:
"B/M2000"? Ya gotta love it - an admission straight from the horse's ass that the conservative movement ain't nothin' but a bowel movement.
jiminlisle
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 6:52:09 PM
BM2k,
Here is how to post a story so that those of us who read it can go to your source when you make such odd statements.
i am going to claim that George W. Bush is courting racists in South Carolina. He says he is for a big tent republican party but it seems to me that in his presidential campaign he is only trying to embrace the racists of the party. Remember, it was "W" who begged Pat the Nazi to stay in the party. Well, it seems that he did it again; george held a rally at Bob Jones U. You remember good ole BJ U don't you? In the 70's they lost their tax exempt status because they refused to admit African-Americans. Well now they admit African-Americans, but they just won't let them date the white women. Don't hand me that crap about Bush appearing at places where he may not agree with the people he's speaking to; by that logic he should have an engagement at every Klavern South of the Mason-Dixon.
john (hp)
But don't believe me. Here's a link to the San Jose mercury news with quotes and everything.
http://www7.mercurycenter.com/premium/nation/docs/bushrace03.htm
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:00:46 PM
Ahhhhh John, hate to do this, but I will.
If your going to write an article. Why don't you quote the whole article? And why isn't the quote from Bush stating, "I do not favor any ban on interracial couples.
So, instead of just taking bits and pieces of an article to suit your needs, please quote the whole article so everyone can make up their OWN minds.. yes I know, I said their OWN..
BUSH or Mccain 2000.....
PS... SOunds like Malloy is even a little nervous over Mccain... hmmmmmmm..... anyone got any Mccain bumper stickers?
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:09:27 PM
Hey Guys... I think you guys better change your views on Mccain.... You know your bashing.. calling him a racist...etc..etc...
Count mickey has a different view then you guys....Hmmmm... Now this is interesting...
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:14:59 PM
BM2k,
i didn't quote the article i summarized it. i know bush said he doesn't agree with the policy, but if it offends him so, why oh why does he speak there? Hell, if he's going to speak to people he really disagrees with i'd like to invite him to over to the seminary see how much he appreciates our differences; maybe speaking at the Mosque down the street...
Hmmm, he doesn't seem to be speaking to people like me who disagree with him. Wonder why not? two reasons: 1. he's afraid to be in front of a hostile crowd (and it appears that those wild eyed racists at BJ U loved Duh-bya); and, 2. the republicans only have a big tent for right wing extremists (stay pat stay: wasn't that Duh-bya's mantra?).
Bush seems too confortable soaking up the mind numbed enthusiasm of the BJ-ers, too happy to be with all those people who he thinks hold such unfortunate beliefs...
john 9hp0
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:17:50 PM
John.... Is this any different then the guy who was on Death Role.. who spoke at college graduation night. From what I might remember, didn't liberals not mind, including Malloy.. with this guy speaking.
BUSH/MCCAIN..2000
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:22:11 PM
i have a name i would like to whisper in relation to John McCain: Joe Bonano.
There is no republican that will beat Gore: let them throw bradley, bush, etc. at him
john (hp)
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:30:26 PM
BM2k,
You are referring to Mumia Abu-Jamal giving the convocation address at a small liberal arts college. i do not understand how this equates to Bush pandering to a gaggle of fundamentalists lunatics. Mumia Abu-Jamal is not, unless i am mistaken running for President; or, if you were comparing the students who elected Abu-Jamal as their speaker, neither are these people running for President. George Bush is running for President of the United States and he is openly pandering to what is worst about our society and that does not seem at all to trouble you. That is what disturbs me.
john (hp)
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:33:20 PM
John, NO Disrepect at all.. honest... But you want to know what bothers me, and this is far more serious.
Gore going to visit the Buddist to get campaign contrubutions.... oh yeah, " I didn't know where I was at"... Oh come on John,..
BUSH/Mccain.... or Mccain/Bush..
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:36:46 PM
BM2k,
and what about the state GOP admitting fraud in New york? Does it not disturb you that fraudulent signatures were used to get Bush on the ballot in the bronx and brooklyn?
But i guess you're going to suggest i am lying about this too...
john (hp)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/03/141l-020300-idx.html
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:44:22 PM
John,
Joe Bonano? Just wisper a little louder.
AnnA
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 7:49:05 PM
john, very impressive. you further, the gentle message of christ and even the mad dog licks the back of your hand and lies down. peace and prosperity.
matt
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:05:37 PM
AnnaA,
Yeah, apparently, even though i'm the biggest damn liar this side of Judas, i am going to say this and if anyone challenges me on it i will provide more than enough info.
John McCain is a friend of Joe Bonano; yes, that Joe Bonano, the "alleged" mobster; even wrote him a letter apologizing for missing a birthday part of the guy.
john (hp)
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:09:56 PM
http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm
Joe in John's closet....De
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:11:36 PM
non de plume,
just dis once. the reagan quote which you took such offense to, was posted by me. "where's the rest of me?" is a line that he delivered in the film "kings row" (1942). he, then used it as the title of his 1965 autobiography. i am fully aware of the irony of this quote given the former presidents' ill health, but i am not responsible for it. life becomes art, which becomes life.
matt
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:38:54 PM
What happens if McCain doesn't win the GOP nomination but does grab a cabinet position in, say, a George W. White House? Remember, McCain's a master at the campaign switch; when his friend and personal presidential fave Texas Senator Phil Gramm faltered in 1996, McCain jumped on the Bob Dole bandwagon in a blink.
The word is that McCain would love to be secretary of state, but, given his unstatesmanlike demeanor, would be more likely to end up as secretary of defense.
(that's from the Phoenix Star - which, by the way, is owned by the same co. that owns the Indy Star, y'all. "Central Newspapers, Inc.")
De
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:44:02 PM
De,
what happens? same thing if mccain were the nominee: Gore wins.
john (hp)
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 8:51:55 PM
matt,
The difference between “real” art and “real” life is the dung factor.....excuse me.....fllluuussshhhh.......
Oh, never mind, AnnA
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 9:00:11 PM
Pity poor Haveth Childers Everywhere with Mudder!
That was Communicator, a former colonel. A disincarnated spirit, called Sebastion, from the Rivera in Januero, (he is not all hear) may fernspreak shortly with messuages from my deadported. Let us cheer him up a little and make an appunkment for a future date. Hello, Commudicate! How's the buttes? Everscepistic! He does not believe in our psychous of the Real Absence, neither miracle wheat nor soulsurgery of P. P. Quemby. He has had some indiejestings, poor thing, for quite a little while, confused by his tonguer of baubble. A way with him! Poor Felix Culapert! Ring his mind, ye staples, (bonze!) in my ould reekeries' ballyheart and in my krumlin and in aroundisements and stremmis! Sacks eleathury! Sacks eleathury! Bam! I deplore over him ruely. Mongrieff! O Hone! 3.3.536
matt
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 9:32:47 PM
This place seems to be filled with people who are accusing the other canidate of being a criminal. I'm not naive enough to believe that one party is full of saints while the other is full of criminals. I think both parties lie, cheat, and mislead the public to there own gain. ...................James
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 9:37:10 PM
De,
You think Madeline Albright is statesmanlike?? She is an incompetent, ineffectual Clinton puppet...Janet Reno, only shorter and fatter. Get real!
Date: 2/3/00
Time: 9:39:38 PM
That was a quote, not my comments, John, but, YEAH, I hope you're correct. McCain will have us building Star Wars Defense and the economy will be put on fast forward to the apocalypse! he would be the biggest HAWK of a 'leader' this world has seen.
Of course, the military/industrial complex is going to be THE industry of America and the karma and the 'natural' outcome of that investment is mega-death. for all.
You know, how is it that liberal ghetto hours can be so simultaneously uplifting and depressing? I don't SEE a way out of the mess we are in. It depresses me to hear John in Ohio depressed! ha ha! It DOES. And Mike's statement about our having 'crossed the line' a while back? It is ON the money. I agree.
ugh...
time for dreamland with Art Bell? ugh. ugh.
nightmares!
White River has become an ICON for me -- of the situation we find ourselves in. I don't know why that is, but it is. I drove to Indiana today to look at the river.
De