Round 50
Your comments from 11-06-00 thru 11-10-00
Bushmovement2k,
Do you honestly want to get into a discussion of Roman Catholic, OFFICIAL Catholic teaching and politics? i would be glad to do so. As a Catholic and a theologian i have a bit of expertise in this area. What i find unfortunate is that you wouldn't respond to the facts at hand; rather, you would simply spew your moronic crap. For instance, you have said time and again how you support the death penalty even though Catholic teaching opposes the death penalty, you support a union busting political party even though the Catholic church is pro-union, you support policies specifically designed to concentrate wealth and political power in fewer and fewer hands even though the Catholic Church does not. So, you have ONE position, antiabortion and one hugely poor way of going about accomplishing that task, overturning Roe v. Wade. Were someone stupid enough to pack the supreme court with enough republican yahoos to accomplish this task, every aspect of Catholic Social teaching, which as a Catholic you are supposed to uphold, would be at risk. Are you just that blind?
john(hp)
"this train is bound for glory"
"Bush said that the kept the story secret because it did not set a good example for his daughters preferring instead that they see him as a failed business man that executes people. Bush also reminded reporters that the arrest happened 24 years ago and that he hasn't had a drink in 14 years. "That was a turning point in my life," said Bush, "I went home, took a long hard look at myself in the mirror, and decided then and there to quit drinking in 10 years."" SNL
i couldn't stop laughing saturday night.
john(hP)
DEMOCRATS GET THEIR TURN WITH LIEBERMAN'S VISIT
By Bob Linneman | Duluth News Tribune staff writer | November 3, 2000
The difference between presidential candidates George W. Bush and Al Gore was made crystal clear Thursday for a group of Minnesota Head Start teachers who are in Duluth this week for a state convention.
Turned away by the Bush campaign Wednesday night at the Duluth Entertainment Convention Center, the teachers were welcomed to the Joe Lieberman rally at the University of Minnesota-Duluth on Thursday.
``Our group asked for Bush tickets, and we were denied,'' said teacher Michelle Holden of Backus, who added that the Head Start convention was even at the DECC, where Bush appeared. ``The Gore/Lieberman people not only gave us tickets, but brought us over here in buses.''
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http://www.duluthnews.com/news/day2/dnt/color.htm
Mich. Bureau Chief
Sunday November 5 | 6:58 PM ET
ROSIE O'DONNELL TO AIR STREISAND SPEECH | By Timna Tanners
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Talk show host Rosie O'Donnell will air a political speech by her friend Barbra Streisand supporting Democratic candidate Al Gore after her show's syndicator backed down from objections, sources said Sunday.
The syndicator, Warner Brothers, dropped objections after O'Donnell put her job on the line..........
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Streisand lauded O'Donnell's decision to run her comments in a phone interview with CSPAN. ``Rosie's a very brave girl, because she's bucking Warner Brothers to do that,'' she said.
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ABC, which produces Walters' ``20/20'' interview show, decided to use only 44 words of her speech............
A longtime Democratic Party supporter, Streisand said she backed the vice president because of his pro-choice position and environmental stand, among other reasons.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001105/re/streisand_odonnell_dc_1.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
Top losers this election year:
*Mainstream media--This terrible year distorting Gores character and covering the Bushboys ass, follows their ugly year of chasing President Clintons Genitalia.
*Ralph Nader--Will not get his coveted 5% and will go down as the republican patsy of all time.
*John Macain--Kisses baby Bush ass even though Smirk dishonored his service to the country, lied about his family and questioned his integrity.
* The christian right--Should spend eternity in hell for supporting a draft dodging drunken coke snorting dumbasss, who spends his spare time discussing pussy with his father. The phony pharisees then lie about Al Gores integrity and honesty even though Gore was a practicing Chrisian, serving his country in Nam while Smirkie was laying with Whores in Mexico.
What can you expect--This is America--
Rich in Monkeyland
The republicans show how little they think of our country by offering a candidate as unqualified as George W. Busch and of course that is nothing new to all of us BUT to know they could have offered a MUCH better candidate to the undecided voter such as John McCain (not that I would have voted for him but he is for more intelligent than Busch) is really very sad.
Deep in their hearts, it must be embarrassing for many of the republicans to have to hold their noses as they vote for a candidate as lousy as Busch ONLY because they hate Clinton so much and feel as though they have to vote against a far more qualified candidate as Gore because they have been brainwashed into thinking a vote for Gore is a vote for "the evil" Clinton. No logic there but then again there is no logic in voting for Busch, the worst candidate (republican or Democrat) to run for president in many, many years.
Mich. Bureau Chief
Bush, Gore Play Politics on SNL
In what was many voters' final look at the candidates before election day, Al Gore and Busch made fun of their duel for the White House on a comedy special Sunday night.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001105/en/candidates_on_snl_1.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
An addition to the losers list:
*The undecided voter---If there has ever been a more dumber than dirt portion of the electorate, it probably ocurred in Nazi Germany.
For what it's worth! --- Mich. Bureau Chief
OUTLOOK CRYSTAL BALL
The Washington Post | Sunday, November 5, 2000; Page B1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/elections/crystalball110500.htm
Updated: Saturday, Nov. 4, 2000 at 17:58 CST
BUSH'S HOUSE TURNS OUT TO BE RATHER GLASSY
Fort Worth Star-Telegram | Bob Ray Sanders
From the time he first ran for governor of Texas, there have been three obvious characteristics of a George W. Bush campaign. Each has been carefully controlled, extremely calculated and keenly evasive of personal issues that would be harmful to a candidate who had only admitted making "mistakes" in his youth and having a "drinking problem" when he was young.
The revelation this past week that Bush was arrested for DUI (driving under the influence) 24 years ago in Maine will be blamed on many people except the one who is truly responsible: Bush himself.
The timing of this embarrassing and perhaps vote-costing negative news must be laid squarely at Bush's feet.
He could have avoided it by telling Texans in 1994 and the American people in 1998 or 1999 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Instead, he lied. Yes, that's the word I intended to use.
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The record of Bush's DUI arrest was expunged in 1993. Ironically, that was the year that Bush decided to run against Gov. Ann Richards.
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Bush became a master of evasion, skating most of the those questions about "youthful indiscretions." For the most part, the media allowed him to get away with it.
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http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/sanders2.htm
Mich. Bureau Chief
Joe Conason in this week's NY Observer:on Nader's "alliance with Bush folk" - http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp
...this "man" who is a self-styled "leader"...was surrendering "with integrity" for drunken driving in 1976..being led away in handcuffs... the same year that Al Gore was in Viet Nam wearing his country's uniform with honor..think about it... SAG
On the Trail, Bush Moves to Put Out Fire From His Past
Bush alluded to the arrest while stumping in Michigan. "I've made mistakes in my life," he said. "But I'm proud to tell you, I've learned from those mistakes." But for the most part, Bush continued to portray himself as a potential healer of Washington divisiveness. "This country needs somebody to unite this nation, somebody to bring us together, somebody to clean house there in the nation's capital, and that's what this whole campaign's about," Bush told thousands of supporters at Saginaw Valley State University in Michigan.
Yet, in an indication of how the controversy may have narrowed Bush's options, at least Friday, he omitted his standard criticisms about Gore's past exaggerations. His running mate, Dick Cheney, twice Friday omitted his standard line about Bush returning "honor and integrity" to the White House.
Cheney did use the phrase in a third speech, after reporters asked campaign officials about the omission.
hehh hehh hehhhh
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/natpol/20001104/t000105552.html
***GORE***
De
Whilst takin' some trash out to the can in the storage shed, I was greeted by a neighbor, who felt free to ask me if I planned to vote on Tuesday. (I love it when they give me that lead-in . . .)
"Yes, sir!" I replied most courteously. "I'm voting for the only two guys in the race who don't have a rap sheet. I hold a man's character in high value, who obeys the law and never gets arrested."
"Even the guy who got the perfectly legal, blowjob in the White House, has never been arrested . . . only impeached and taken to trial fur fibbin' about the details."
from the wordninja
Message from Al Gore:
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Only two days until Election Day! Help us spread Al Gore's and Joe Lieberman's message by sending an e-mail to as many people as you can. Tell them this election is about big choices and real differences. Al Gore has an agenda that benefits all Americans, not just the few:
Gore's middle-class tax cuts would fit within a balanced budget to ensure that all Americans benefit from the nation's current prosperity. George W. Bush's massive tax cut would put prosperity in peril, returning the nation to deficits and making it "impossible" to eliminate the debt. Almost half of Bush's tax cuts are targeted toward the few who make more than $300,000 a year.
Gore would take steps to protect Social Security for seniors and provide a new choice to encourage younger workers to save for retirement. George W. Bush has made a promise he cannot keep. He has admitted that he would drain $1 trillion of the Social Security Trust Fund into private accounts for younger workers, but he has also promised the same money to seniors for their Social Security checks. What choice will he make?
Gore will pursue proven strategies for improving public education - reducing class sizes, improving standards and accountability, and bringing technology into classrooms. He has worked to increase access to higher education and lifetime learning opportunities, and he has advocated for get-tough proposals to make schools safer and drug-free.
"Nothing is more important to us than our families," write Al Gore and Joe Lieberman in the introduction of their book Bringing Prosperity Home: Choices for America's Families. "We need policies that value families -- that let parents balance work and family and make our schools, hospitals, and communities more friendly to families' needs."
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jim
I would guess that with all the Bush surplus winning votes in Texas and much of the south that he could have an extra 3 million votes and still lose the electoral college. Obviously, a Gore win in Florida, Penns, and Michigan would really challenge Bush final electoral totals. With this thought in mind Bush could win the popular vote by as much as 3% and still lose.
I like that thought of Bush losing because of a consitutional clause.
Screw Nazi's. Scott
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BETWEEN THE LINES Voter fraud, again!
by Joseph Farah
Stop the presses! I mean it. Stop the election!
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You better BELIEVE he means it. He's a fascist who is trying to drum up an excuse to stage a military coup.
jim
http://www.newsday.com/columnists/stories/monday/nd6781.htm
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h110300_1.shtml
GORE, TUESDAY.
Halftruth from a halfwit:
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The Drudge reports has found evidence that the Gore Campaign is distributing cigarettes to the poor and homeless in exchange for their vote. Is he that desperate? Jessie Peterson
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And now, for the rest of the story:
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http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/mil/election2000/itsyourvote/stories/-20001105-134550.html
Cigarettes Distributed For Gore Vote
Homeless Voters Given Ride, Cigarettes
MILWAUKEE, Updated 11:00 p.m. CST November 5, 2000-- Campaign volunteers for the Democratic Presidential campaign were discovered distributing cigarettes to homeless voters after the volunteers had recruited the homeless specifically for their vote Saturday.
…"They had a couple vans, and said they'd give us a ride. So I took a ride," George Scharf said. Scharf is a homeless voter who said he had planned to vote for Gore anyway, and that voters weren't told about the free cigarettes till after they were at the polls.
"They didn't mention that until we got down there anyway," he said.
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But THAT would mean it WASN'T a bribe.
jim
Just to drive the point home for those who didn't get it the first time:
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However, a Milwaukee Rescue Mission employee told WISN 12 News that he had to ask democratic campaign volunteers to leave the property after he caught them trying to bribe potential voters with packs of cigarettes.
But one voter said that he did not feel like he was bribed for his vote.
"They just came and asked us to go and vote," Bob Socha said. Socha also said that he enjoys voting and was already planning to vote for Gore.
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But THAT would mean it WASN'T a bribe.
jim
And furthermore:
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…"This kind of activity described by Channel 12 is not the kind of help we ask for and it's the kind of help we flat-out reject. These volunteers were from out of state, acting on their own and this was not part of any official Democratic 'get out the vote' activity in Wisconsin. They have left the state and we will not invite them to return," wrote Susan Lagana, a spokeswoman for the Democratic Coordinated Campaign.
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So once again, a Republican actitivist was being "less than candid."
jim
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,393134,00.html
GORE, TUESDAY!
Latest orders from Republican Headquarters. All republicans in toss-up states are supposed to vote for Ralph Nader. Especially, Florida, W.V., Penns, Michigan, Wis, Oregon, Wash., and Minn.
Bush/2000
Slavish is not the word I would use. However the Brit press has it to a "T" where ours are ... slavish ... IOW, but for the $ angle, they have it right.
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A slavish press connives to hide GW's shady side
It's not only his drink-driving arrest Bush has lied about
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,393134,00.html
Harold Evans Monday November 6, 2000
To the Guinness Book of Records: reserve a whole page under hypocrisy. It's for George W Bush and the managers of his bid for the White House.
The basic misperception here is to confuse amiability with integrity, marketable charm with ability. The truth, bluntly, is that Bush is an irresponsible know-nothing. His instincts are those of the 1930s isolationist, little America, rather than the America that led the world in the creation of a new liberal world order. If he is president, say goodbye to the nuclear test ban, to action on global warming, to peacemaking interventions.
Those of you in sodden Britain who might conclude that global warming, for instance, is a matter of concern should know that Bush, like the Wall Street Journal, regards it as a leftist scare. Asked what he would do, he responds that we need more study before ratifying the Kyoto agreement, putting me in mind of a fire chief who arrives at the blaze to say he will have to study the origins of the fire before trying to put it out.
I've seen the light. I was wrong. I not believe in public financing of federal and state elections with the exception that a candidate can also spend his own money in his campaign if he desires.
Bush/2000
By Richard C. Harwood SPECIAL TO MSNBC.COM
WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 — Conventional wisdom has it that in just a handful of days Ralph Nader may help to snatch victory from the hands of Al Gore. There’s lots of urgent talk about how Gore should handle Nader. But there’s a missing piece of the discussion: just what is at the heart of the Nader support.
To get Nader supporters into the Gore column, Democrats are now pulling out all stops. Their thrust is to make Nader supporters feel guilty.
SURPRISINGLY, Ralph Nader’s support hasn’t waned over the course of campaign 2000. As Election Day approaches, and the stakes become clearer, people still have not bailed out on his candidacy. Instead, Nader’s strength only seems to have grown in numbers and intensity.
ROSS PEROT REDUX? In 1992, another third-party candidate took off in the polls - the Reform Party’s Ross Perot. With the demise of the Reform Party, and the mocking of Perot in some quarters, we often forget that he attracted the support of millions of Americans by speaking plainly to people. He took on tough issues such as the budget deficit, campaign finance reform and NAFTA. He lavished praise on the town hall meetings, a symbol of America’s enduring commitment to the right of the public to be heard. And he talked in practical terms of needing to “fix” America’s problems.
Is Al Gore correct in claiming a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for George W. Bush?
Yes. It will split Democratic voters and pave the way for a Bush victory.
No. A vote for Nader demonstrates a legitimate desire among his supporters for a change in American political culture.
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Is Al Gore correct in claiming a vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for George W. Bush?
* 4785 responses Yes. It will split Democratic voters and pave the way for a Bush victory. 35%
No. A vote for Nader demonstrates a legitimate desire among his supporters for a change in American political culture. 65%
Survey results tallied every 60 seconds. Live Votes reflect respondents' views and are not scientifically valid surveys.
The Nader campaign has some similarities to Perot’s, but there’s also a fundamental difference. Perot’s campaign, for all the positive things it triggered in Americans’ imagination, sprung from people’s anger and disgust with the political system. A vote for Perot was a means by which to send the system a message: “We have had enough!” Nader takes that disaffection one step further down the road to political reality. Certainly, some Nader supporters may simply be frustrated with their choices for president this year and may not even know Nader’s full array of political views. But Nader seems to stand for something: for honesty, integrity, a track record of consistency and conviction, a willingness to speak out. It seems that the Nader support is grounded more in people’s hopes for what America can be than in grinding the system to a halt.
WHO’S GUILTY? To get Nader supporters into the Gore column, Democrats are now pulling out all stops. Their thrust is to make Nader supporters feel guilty - arguing that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. In the end, Nader just might make the difference in a handful of states, thus swinging the election to Bush. This prospect raises the question of whether Nader will then hold responsibility for a Republican victory and the course then-President Bush takes? A quick, shallow knee-jerk analysis might render an emphatic answer of “yes!”
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But perhaps it would be wise to think this situation through with greater care and seriousness. One could argue that it is not Nader who must temper his own ambitions, but Gore, who needs to make his own case to American voters. To many people, Gore simply has not delivered. Indeed, Gore’s topsy-turvy campaign has been the antithesis of Nader’s. Where Gore has constantly changed the suits he wears, looking for just the right tones, Nader seemingly has not even bothered change out of - or even clean - his one suit. While Americans have seen three different Al Gores in the three presidential campaigns, Nader seemingly has not even worked on his political delivery. And while Gore tries daily to find just the right issue to pitch, apparently being tone deaf at times, Nader has remained true to his long-standing public views. Perhaps what resonates most deeply among Nader supporters is that he speaks to the kind of politics people seek - one in which the candidate knows himself, bases his views on conviction and stands for something, even in the midst of political crossfire.
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John McCain, and Bill Bradley to a lesser degree, tapped into similar desires among Americans disaffected with politics-as-usual. Now Nader continues that charge. Sure, among these candidates the issues and positions they value differ, but the sensibilities embodied within the candidacies themselves hold fast and true. While many people might not yet be ready to embrace this different style of politics, they clearly are moving in that direction. Efforts to “guilt” people into leaving Nader’s side may sway just enough voters for Gore ultimately to win this election. But at the heart of the matter, these efforts miss the point. People hold aspirations for a different kind of politics in America. Winning their votes will demand responding genuinely to those aspirations, not making people feel guilty about them.
Gore/2000. Upon Gore's swearing in office his tells America's that the dec. of independence and the first flag were made from hemp fibers and that he immedialtely supports federal grants to farmers to grow industrial hemp for fuel and fiber to initially produce 10 million barrels of fuel a year. He also declares that hydrogen fuel production must be started immediately and he supports grants for all those with access to water to produce hydrogen for fuel. He developes a national citizens email streetway for new technologies so America can set the standard for conversion to alternative fuels. All this is finances with the subsides now given to the oil industry. 35 billion a year. Bush/2000 sees the light but still condemns Gore for smoking pot. Lemmings unite in a failed attempt to jail all non-lemmings but they drown in their own stupidity. Gore/2000
On Mon Nov 6 08:57:36, Joe Voter wrote: > from David Horowitz: > The same party that is trying to discredit Bush because > of a youthful indiscretion in which nobody was hurt has > made an icon out of a man who, as a sitting senator and > the Democrats' presidential candidate in waiting, got > himself drunk, drove a woman off a bridge while under the > influence and drowned her, failed to report the accident > (an act that might well have saved her life), bribed her > parents to prevent an autopsy and then muscled the local > authorities to escape manslaughter charges. At Gore's > convention, Ted Kennedy had virtually his own family > night, which is just one more testament to the Democratic > candidate's utter lack of a moral center.
http://www.talion.com/hackers.html
Hackers disable weblinks to Bush [FOIA] documents
Rove-ing assholes
Big Brother is watching you, truthseekers. A wave from the future?
News Release:
Hackers Disable Web Links to Bush Documents
NOVEMBER 5 2000 - On Friday, Nov 3, two hours after an early morning news release distribution to national news editors with links to photocopied Freedom of Information documents about discrepancies in Bush military record, hackers disrupted and shut down Talion.com, the site that provided access to the documents.
The shutdown was traced to Quest, supplier of T-1 lines that supports the host for Talion.com (Bookzone.com). Talion.com and approximately 125 other Internet sites on the Bookzone host were disabled. Immediately after the deadline for TV evening news, access was restored.
Bookzone employees told Talion co-owner Bev Harris that an outage of this duration had never occurred before during four years of operation, and that they had never before been called by their service provider (Quest) to tell them their site would be down. Quest called Bookzone Friday morning to tell them service was interrupted. No explanation was given by Quest as to how the outage occurred. Hit counts provided by two separate programs indicate that the shutdown was not due to a surge in web traffic.
Cigarette 'Bribe' Prompts Criminal Complaint State Election Board Will Also Receive Complaint MILWAUKEE, Updated 8:09 a.m. EST November 6, 2000 -- Wisconsin State Rep. Scott Walker (R - 14th District) plans to file a criminal complaint with the Milwaukee County District Attorney and a formal complaint with the state election board after Milwaukee's WISN 12 News found Gore campaigners giving absentee voters cigarettes outside of City Hall Saturday.
Cigarettes Violate State Election Laws Gore Campaigners Distribute Cigarettes
DISCUSSION
Was The Cigarette Give-Away Unethical?
LINK Wisconsin Election Bribery Laws
PREVIOUS STORY November 6, 2000: Cigarettes Distributed For Gore Vote
WISN 12 News caught volunteers for Vice President Al Gore's campaign giving packs of cigarettes to homeless voters that they had transported to cast absentee ballots.
"Anything that gets something of value, be it a $20 bill on the street out here, or a pack of cigarettes, we think is wrong," Walker said. "The trading off of anything, something of worth, in exchange for someone's vote, not only is it ethically questionable, we believe its a violation of the law."
Volunteers were visiting area shelters Saturday, offering rides to City Hall where homeless citizens could vote by absentee ballot.
"We've been pretty busy, going to the shelters," campaign volunteer Connie Milstein said. Milstein volunteers for the Gore campaign in New York and came to Milwaukee to help get out the vote.
The volunteers then distributed cigarettes to voters outside City Hall.
Voters interviewed by WISN 12, however, said that they did not feel they were being bribed by the volunteers for their votes.
"They just came and asked us to go and vote," Bob Socha said. Socha also said that he enjoys voting and was already planning to vote for Gore.
"They had a couple vans, and said they'd give us a ride. So I took a ride," George Scharf said. Scharf is a homeless voter who said that he had planned to vote for Gore anyway, and that voters weren't told about the free cigarettes until after they were at the polls.
"They didn't mention that until we got down there anyway," he said.
However, a Milwaukee Rescue Mission employee told WISN 12 News that he had to ask democratic campaign volunteers to leave the property after he caught them trying to bribe potential voters with packs of cigarettes.
After viewing WISN 12's video tape Saturday, a local representative of the Gore campaign issued a response to the democratic campaigners who distributed the cigarettes.
"This kind of activity described by Channel 12 is not the kind of help we ask for and it's the kind of help we flat-out reject. These volunteers were from out of state, acting on their own and this was not part of any official democratic 'get out the vote' activity in Wisconsin. They have left the state and we will not invite them to return," wrote Susan Lagana, a spokeswoman for the Democratic Coordinated Campaign.
In a press release, Gov. Tommy Thompson criticized the Gore campaign volunteers for their actions.
"There is no place for this despicable brand of politics in Wisconsin," Thompson said. "It is unconscionable that the Gore campaign would prey on vulnerable people such as the homeless by rewarding them with cigarettes in exchange for their votes."
The Gore campaign did not have any immediate reaction to news of the impending Republican complaint on Sunday.
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WELL THIS MIGHT AS WELL HAPPEN. IT IS A FITTING END TO THIS ADMINISTRATION.
BUSH2000
Bush/2000 Will you stay will us win or lose tomorrow? Are you revving up attending GoreHateSpeak classes or are you revving up for the finally link to the corporate elites control of everything?
Scott
final not finally
"Ahhhh, hi there homeless type person. We were wondering if you would like a free pack of smokes? If you come vote for us, we will give you a pack. Never mind that I said, "Till my last dying breath"..Because I feel like this is MY LAST DYING BREATH".
Ok Great sir, will that be filtered or non filtered? Menthol or regular? shorts or longs?
Scott.
Well a long time ago. About 1 year. I made a promise to the board. I said if Bush wins, I am here to stay. If gore wins, I will leave. Kind of a bet thing going there. I offered a dinner, but no one would take me up on it.
BUSH2000
Bush/2000
Either way, it's your choice. Scott
Yo, SAG:
The Republican presidential candidate who likes to take credit for the improvements in Texas education under Ann Richards while talking about a so-called 'Education Recession' and his support of school vouchers as the cure...
Couldn't get a job driving a school bus in Tulsa.
Think about it.
BA_BureauChief
More on the Texas death machine on Amenesty International wed site..click on USA. Mac
hi ,I HAVEN'T BEEN ON HERE TOO MUCH LATELY, BUT I SEE YOU GOOD FOLKS ARE DOING WELL WITH OUT MY 2 CENTS. JUST ONE THING THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER. A SLOGAN "SAY NO TO THE SONFABUSH" VOTE GORE!!!!! HOW ABOUT THAT? I HAVE BEEN SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO EVERYONE I CAN THINK OF,SURE HOPE THOSE DIMWIT RICH ASSHOLES COMETO THEIR SENSES. GERI WHO IS SCARED AS HELL IF W MAKES IT. GOD HELP US ALL
A caller on C-Span just said that she has heard on 3 different radio programs that DICK Cheney RAPED a woman in 1984 at his lodge. The caller said that Cheney’s daughter responded by saying that she wouldn’t put anything past him.
BWHAAAAAAAAA……. Maybe CNN should get on THIS one since they had that yo-yo on spreading viscous statements about Juanita Broddrick the other day…..AnnA
Bush2000, Come back in your next incarnation -- you know, as a Democrat.
GORE HAS IT IN THE BAG
C-SPAN rules.
Hey, I was pleasantly surprised to find that my old hero, Mike Malloy, has a website and is still going strong. I'm a transplanted Atlanta native now living in the Pacific Northwest and I used to listen to Mike faithfully ever day. We need more voices of sanity like Mike's on the airwaves to combat all of the right wing venom and propaganda spewed out daily. Mike Malloy for President in 2004!
Speaking of CNN
Have you noticed that when that Gallup Guy displays the charts that Bush is represented by the color red and Gore is represented by the color YELLOW?
I’m not positive, but I think the colors used to be red and blue.
Seems like subliminable graphics to me………AnnA
BIG DONORS OPT TO VOTE WITH WALLETS - MANY STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY
November 6, 2000
BY AMY KLEIN | DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Many of metro Detroit's biggest campaign contributors have reached for their checkbooks rather than head to the polls on Election Day.
Two-thirds of the area's 100 top campaign donors did not vote in 1998, the last general election, and at least one heavyweight who pumped more than $100,000 into political coffers this election cycle is not even registered to vote in Michigan.
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Turnout among big donors in November 1998 was significantly less than the 43 percent reflected statewide. Of 100 donors who routinely wrote checks for $1,000 or more, only 34 voted in the 1998 election, according to state voting records and Federal Election Commission data.
The low turnout reflects a national attitude that money can buy elections, says Larry Makinson, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics.
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And the money just keeps flowing. So-called soft-money contributions, which are exempt from campaign-finance limits and are supposed to go toward party building rather than the candidates, have reached $255.8 million nationally. Michigan donors have given $6.8 million to soft-money accounts. About 70 percent of donations from Michigan residents go to Republicans.
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http://www.freep.com/news/politics/donor6_20001106.htm
Mich. Bureau Chief
What Happened to the "Stolen" Debate Tape Investigation?
"FBI Quietly Hunts Solution To Mystery of Debate Tape" at:
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19997-2000Nov5.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
National polls are worthless. There are in fact 50 elections because of the electoral college. Current electoral polls: Gore-278 Bush-260 Other-0 Margin Of Error: +/- 40 Source: National Electoral College Assn. (poll 32,000--NOT A MEDIA POLL)..this organization only gets paid if their results are accurate.
Bush's D.W. Lie | By Jacob Weisberg | Posted Friday, Nov. 3, 2000, at 3:45 p.m. PT
I don't know whether the revelation of a 1976 D.W.I. arrest will hurt G.W.B., but I do think it should. Not because of the incident itself, which is eminently forgivable. And not even because Bush clearly, knowingly, and explicitly lied about it when he told Wayne Slater of the Dallas Morning News that he was never arrested after 1968. I don't condone politicians lying to reporters, but I'm not shocked when they do. What should count against Bush, though, is his off-the-charts hypocrisy. His campaign and the Republican National Committee are running TV ads at this very moment that excoriate Al Gore for fibbing. "Why does Gore say one thing when the truth is another?" one of them asks. As a certain politician once said, you can't take the high horse and then claim the low road.
more:
http://slate.msn.com/code/BallotBox/BallotBox.asp?Show=11/3/2000&idMessage=6409
Mich. Bureau Chief
Hey, Mr. Outraged BETWEEN THE LINES Voter fraud, again! by Joseph Farah Date 11/5/00 Time: 10:49:39 PM
Since when does a card in the mail give you the right to vote? Unless high tech modern California is more backward than Kentucky, a little card is not what allows you to vote. The Voter Registration Books list Registered voters. The Election poll workers of BOTH Monopoly Dem and Rep parties enforce the election laws. They take a test after hours of training. An old simpleton question always on the test is "What is a valid ID. for a voter?" , choices include credit card, driver license, other picture ID, voter registration card etc. Guess what is not even a valid ID-- a voter registration card! In Kentucky, the election officers are to ask for ID and your current address and verify it in the Precinct's Voter Registration Book, unless they can personally ID you (PID is recorded for ID type) as a neighbor living where it says you live in the Registration Book (the Precinct Registration Book is also where the voter signs their name next to their computer printed name from Voter Registration which lists them as a LEGALLY REGISTERED VOTER). To get Registered into that book is when it is determined by the many laws [enforced by the BOARD of Elections and Judges & Courts and the the State Attorney General] whether the person has a right to vote. No one is refused the right to vote on Election Day, no ID or even if they are not registered they are advised to first telephone Voter Registration to make sure they are properly registered. But any voter told they are not legally allowed to vote still can vote, IT'S JUST THEY MUST SIGN AN OATH OF VOTER FORM proclaiming they are LEGALLY registered, due live where they say, and are aware the form is turned over to the Attorney General's office (local Grand Jury) which investigates all such paper work after every election and prosecutes any illegal voting or voter fraud. ETC. ETC. ETC. Many of the laws make even minor infractions a felony along with a big list of misdemeanor offenses. Unless California is more backward than us hillbillies in Kentucky. That CARD gives voting privileges to the the daughter of the author's friend's Guatemalan-live-in-slave JUST LIKE the next check you get with YOUR NAME on it saying you just won TEN MILLION DOLLARS you can TAKE down to your bank with your BIG suitcase and fill it up with TEN MILLION DOLLARS cash. Looks like more Republican TEXAS TURD spreading to me. Drum up that ole racist anti-immigrant support for the WHITE WING of the GOP while over yonder Dubya kisses up to hispanic voters. As the barefoot moonshine drinking Kentucky Ridge Runners probably would say : "You're dumber than a box of Rocks". I'm a City Boy[yea we got cities too], but I bet "a box of rocks" is probably even "dumber than dirt". Now remember, Democrats vote Tuesday and you Republicans vote Wednesday since it is such a big expected turnout.
No more Deja-Reaganoo, send that TEXAS TURD back to where I was born(how ashamed that makes me feel). ------
PC in LexKY
Hi Mike,
Michael Isacoff was on MSNBC in the past hour discussing his article - out today - in Newsweek. (It's been on the net so I'm sure you're aware of the content - re: Avoiding jury duty.)
Bush will be in Bentonville Arkansas later today. (An area that is conservative-flying monkey right.) Apparently he's avoiding less biased areas.
Incidentally, ARN NEWS (Arkansas Radio Network) just mentioned the latest "unnamed national poll" stating that it was Bush 49 and Gore 41. Whoa there, what poll are they quoting?
Is this what's called brainwashing? TRUST ME, IT WON'T WORK!
Joyce, Arkansas Bureau Chief
Just wondering...if Bush didn't disclose his arrest and conviction on his gun permit, hasn't he violated Federal law?
Dubya's vibrating lip:
I remember it well. Pointing out before he was ever president that Ronnie Reagan's brain was not functioning to well. Those of us who noticed the the "king was wearing no cloths" usually used the word senility because the "A" word at the time was not well known to many persons.
So remember you heard it here first.
For something to do when Dubya talks to not go nuts that the idiot is getting elected: WATCH HIS BOTTOM LIP WHEN HE SPEAKS, unless he still gets real nervous on the stump, he otherwise has some type of neurological problem. He seems to use his smirk to hide it. He vibrates much much less than Arafat or AG Janet Reno, but sure looks like he may have something wrong with his health. Haven't seen a single story on candidates bill of health this year.
If he doesn't just vibrate cause he is bored (or A.D.D. hyperactive)later when the media says it was un-noticeable when he ran for office. You can say, idiot media, I even read about it when he was still running for president but you morons were too dumb to notice.
PC
Dubya-Dubya-Dubya.TooStupidToBePresident.com,
that's http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/
The very idea that he is a major party candidate for the presidency is a national embarrassment. The aim of this site is to demonstrate that the Republican nominee is not fit for office solely by reason of insufficient intelligence.
Mich. Bureau Chief
Mike,
I would call in, but I am listening on line with only one telephone line. You should know that an "intelligent Bush supporter" is an oxymoron!!! You'll never find one. What I want to know is WHY is Tenn. going to go with Shrub?
Thank you for your voice, that has saved my sanity over the insane past couple of weeks. I still have to believe Gore will win.
Kira
I found this elsewhere on the 'Net --- Mich. Bureau Chief:
Once again, spoiled little rich brats like Bush get whatever they want. Bush obviously wants as little competition as possible, so he went out of his way to snap up 60 web sites (according to Newsweek).
Try the following web sites below, and see for yourself!
http://www.georgebushbites.com
http://www.georgebushblows.com
http://www.georgebushsucks.com
You'll be automatically routed to Bush boy's campaign website. Looks like the freedom of the press is only limited to those who can afford a press (or in this case, web sites).
DC Super Rally: Green's Nader Stomps in U.S. Capital by Joseph Boris
WASHINGTON -- Nearing the end of his longshot campaign for the U.S. presidency, Ralph Nader on Sunday joined thousands of Green Party supporters for a boisterous rally in ''the last American colony.''
More than 12,000 people gathered in the heart of the nation's capital for four hours of progressive politics, cheering as Nader and his celebrity supporters dismissed arguments that a vote for Nader is a vote for Republican presidential nominee George W. Bush.
``If you don't win on Tuesday, Mr. Gore, it won't be because of Ralph Nader,'' said Michael Moore, the liberal filmmaker. ``It will be because of you, Mr. Gore.''
Moore argued that with 35 years experience as an activist, Nader was inherently more qualified than either Bush or Gore, a theme echoed by former TV host Phil Donahue, actor Danny Glover and rock musician Patti Smith.
They also minimized the differences between the major-party candidates, filling the MCI Center with repeated denunciations of the ``Republicrats.''
``A vote for Nader means the buck stops here ... that we're not willing to play the game of lesser of two evils,'' actor Danny Glover said, quoting extensively from Langston Hughes, the great Harlem Renaissance poet.
With Nader hovering at about 5 percent in most national polls, but drawing significant support in Oregon, Michigan and other toss-up states, his rag-tag campaign has increasingly worried associates of Democrat Al Gore.
In an address that went on for more than an hour, Nader regaled the mostly white, 20-something crowd with some of his favorite themes, arguing for an increase in the minimum wage, stricter consumer and environmental regulations, universal health care and an end to the war on drugs.
But, as he has been prone to do, Nader seized the opportunity to criticize the power and influence of American businesses.
``Corporations were designed to be our servants, not our masters,'' Nader said, surrounded by ads for the giant corporations that bankroll the local Washington Wizards basketball team and Capitals hockey team.
``We can and must stop this corporate welfare that is coming out of Washington, a bustling bazaar of accounts receivable for these corporations,'' Nader said.
The rally also served as a national platform for local activists working to secure statehood for the District of Columbia, a city of more than 500,000 that depends on Congressional largesse for many of its operations, yet lacks a voting representative in either legislative chamber.
Copyright © 2000 Reuters Limited
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Mike, this is really frightening - while watching a Bush rally this morning, an MSNBC reporter wanted viewers to be aware of the dark-suited man standing directly behind her. She said each media/camera crew had been assigned a Bush campaign worker to oversee their coverage! When she was finished, she turned and somewhat sarcastically asked him if she'd done okay!!! He nodded, unsmilingly, in the affirmative.
It looked like the Gestapo had been reincarnated. I had visions of Ollie North back in the basement unshredding his martial law plans.
Joyce, Arkansas Bureau Chief
John F. Kennedy won the presidency in 1960 by only 1 voter per precinct in key precincts. Be the person to find that 1 more vote for the Democratic ticket.
Go Al Gore and Joe Lieberman!!!!
Mich. Bureau Chief
The European press seems not affected by the am-dubya-nesia of the domestic press... And the thought of The Shrub as Commander In Chief of the largest military in the world does merit some thought:
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To the Guinness Book of Records: reserve a whole page under hypocrisy. It's for George W Bush and the managers of his bid for the White House. They have run a campaign of character assassination. Knowing that Al Gore has an intimidating grasp of the issues, they have used every trick, every dollar of special interest money, every toady in the press, to smear the vice-president as a liar. The cleverness of that diversionary tactic was that if it worked it would relieve GW of giving proper answers to the questions of substance he finds so bewildering.
It worked.
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http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4086571,00.html
BA_BureauChief
Mike,
Every time I hear you say “obfuscation,” I am reminded of the famous words of the late Harold Washington, which were a little more colorful. He used to call his opponents “SCURLLIOUS OBFUSCATORS.”
That’s tellin’ ‘em…….AnnA
Texas Miracle or Myth? Was Bush Telling Us the Truth?
By Steven T. Kirsch
The educational gains in Texas have been George W. Bush's major accomplishment as governor, right? That is why they are the cornerstone of Bush's campaign and why education appears prominently at the top of his Internet home page and campaign literature. On closer examination, however, no credible evidence could be found to support such claims.
More: http://www.skirsch.com/politics/ad.htm
Mich. Bureau Chief
Bushmovement2k,
i see you've backed off of the Catholic thing. What's the matter?
And where is that list of Gore crime's you PROMISED? You know a lie is a sin.
john(hp)
If you'd like some information to help get anyone you know that is an undecided voter to vote for Gore, go to:
http://www.democrats.org/election2000/resources/index.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
"Stay of Inauguration? American Politics Journal EXCLUSIVE by Dave Gonzo with David King Monday, Nov. 6, 2000 -- WASHINGTON (AmpolNS) -- American Politics Journal has learned today that in the event George W. Bush is elected in tomorrow's presidential election, an alliance of top-level Democrats and Texas-based moderates is making preliminary preparations to file a request with the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court to stay the inauguration of George W. Bush until the Texas Attorney General and the state prosecutor who claimed Bush lied on a jury questionnaire decide whether to charge him with a felony.
If Bush were to be convicted, American Politics Journal understands that Bush might not be qualified to sit as President of the United States.
Additionally, American Politics Journal has learned that Democrat lawyers are presently poring over each and every document they can locate in the public record or volunteered by institutions in which Bush swore under oath that he was never charged or convicted of a crime.
This could re-open the investigations regarding the "mystical" change of Governor Bush's driver's license number in Texas -- and all subsequent comments made concerning Bush's arrest record made by both the Governor and his spokesperson Karen Hughes. It could also re-open the investigation of his service record in the Air National Guard, the oath he took as Governor, and the forms he signed thereupon.
This story is developing as we go to press."
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Maybe we should thank Larry Klaymen and Richard Mellon Scaife.....for they have shown us the darkness.....and two can play that game......Tom
Re the caller talking about Streisand on the Rosie O'Donnell show today......the reason is that Barbara Walters interviewed Streisand recently and DELETED the portion about her views on the election.
Rosie O'Donnell, who was told by Warner, that if she aired Streisand's views, she would be GONE. Rosie told Warner, in effect, to go to hell. She should be commended for her program today.
Arkansas Bureau Chief
Heard today from an OK Dem party worker--yes, Virginia, such rare breeds do exist
----Reward for eyewitness to George W's presence in AL at Air National Guard post is up to $19,000
----AWOL is big news in AL
----Vets in OK have also offered some reward money
I can't find any of this in this in internet; someone here might want to try.
Bobbie in OK
Payback is a bitch:
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Monday, Nov. 6, 2000 -- WASHINGTON (AmpolNS) -- American Politics Journal has learned today that in the event George W. Bush is elected in tomorrow's presidential election, an alliance of top-level Democrats and Texas-based moderates is making preliminary preparations to file a request with the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court to stay the inauguration of George W. Bush until the Texas Attorney General and the state prosecutor who claimed Bush lied on a jury questionnaire decide whether to charge him with a felony.
If Bush were to be convicted, American Politics Journal understands that Bush might not be qualified to sit as President of the United States.
A source close to the Republican party tells American Politics Journal that RNC vice-chairman Larry Purpurro "went ballistic and hung up" when a reporter tried to discuss this development.
--- more ---
http://www.american-politics.com/20001106StayofInauguration.html
BA_BureauChief
To Ms Celia and Mich Bureau Chief regarding projected winners--
The probable adverse effects of projecting a "winner" before the polls close in the Mountain and Pacific time zones really worries me, considering the fabulous spin ability of the TV media [see my earlier statements/concerns].
I heard from the same OK Dem worker source that the networks have said they will give numbers but will not name "projected winners." What a relief! We can all sit back and let these extremely trustworthy people just "do their job." Question: Who is determining what their job is?
And what about cable news--Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and what's the other one? Oh yeah, no problemo here either.
Thank goodness. Our future is in good, unbiased, patriotic hands.
What a relief. Some of us can rest easy.
And the rest of us can check this month's budget once again. Who gets new shoes this time, Johnny or Susie? Do we have some money for Grandma's medicine? And....
Bobbie in OK
Honor and integrity.
But...but...the republicans have put two convicted criminals on the TOP of their ticket.
With Bush being arrested three times...that we know of...
And Cheney being arrested two times....that we know of...
The only thing new is...the republicans have put two convicted criminals on the top of their ticket...just this time it is BEFORE they took, or tried to take the office of the president.
Bush and Cheney are convicted criminals.
Honor and integrity....what the hell does that mean to republicans?
To "jim"--
Your 5 comments posted on 11-2 between 10:20pm and 10:31pm are great.
Right on target--the media oligarchy's goal is indeed "disorientation." They have indeed presented us with a "hemetically sealed worldview." Calling their activities "Gaslighting;" terming the view they have been presenting us their own "hologram"--both terms are right on target.
And you sum it up very well--the media's election campaign coverage has truly been a "systematic disinformation campaign."
This message board is great--links, links with comments, excerpts from various material, and personal comments about and reactions to what we've all been subjected to during this campaign.
To everyone: Keep the information and comments coming; they're keeping us from losing ourselves in the media's carnival house of mirrors.
Bobbie in OK
Tell everyone you know to vote for the two guys without arrest records. As someone once said, "if you are on a journey, and things are going well, and if you should find that you must change horses midstream, just be sure to pick one that is going in the same direction".
The above I found elsewhere on the Dubya-Dubya-Dubya (www).
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Another saying says it well, too:
"If it ain't broke don't fix it."
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Mich. Bureau Chief
Who in the world is "Joan Walsh" in today's salon.com? According to the blurb below the link to her article--
----Gore's problem this election = a "fractured liberal base" that "can't forgive him for not being Clinton.
Really makes ya want to read this insightful analysis of the campaign, don't it???
Where do they dig up these commentators?
What was it jim said?--"disorientation;" "hemetically sealed world view;" "systematic disinformation campaign"
"jim" also said--"The media oligarchy can now ignore anything they want as long as they want"....most specifically their own role in creating "their = our reality."
Insightful analysis from "jim" and immediate textbook example from--NOT from the usual suspects, e.g., Fox News, but from salon.com, whose Table Talk is home to Marty's discussion of AWOL Bush in the White House section.
Bobbie in OK
I am certain that English is not George W. Busch's first language, so does anyone know what it is? Is it maybe, "gibberish"?
Mich. Bureau Chief
BU..SH.. BULLSHIT
The family values crowd has decided to send two drunks, one arrested twice and one with one arrest and an AWOL on his record to clean up the white house. Will some please define family values, I seem to be lost.
Vic, Bensenville
Should bush win, the people that elected him will suffer most. The elderly and the working class. Hello 1980's all over again..... Today, I have two jobs. In 1984 I was un-employed.
Mike L, Chicago
Mike:.. I was listening to your humble comments today and as you know that orwellian commercial news break came on. Wow! Someone quotes two polls that seem way out of line with most other polls and then they said the network polls were closer but that were slanted for ratings purposes......I got an immediate Orwellian chill down my spine.... I suppose my concerns will of been extreme if tomorrow Bush wins by 10 million votes or more as these polls seem to have suggested... Either way with MSNBC's poll tonight giving Gore a 2 points advantage we will see. Ever since I read "1984" around 1969 I have had concerns about BIG BROTHER. Well those concerns seem greater than ever. Something has to give sometime.
Scott
Great Religio-Whore Quotes
“He’s not running for parent of the year.”
--Bill Bennett, (R-Never convicted of rape in college) explaining why it was OK for Smirk's drunk ass to hide his criminal conviction (s?)
BartCop
Vic, Bensenville
And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. Matthew 10:21
Gals, I hear fellow Fundamentalist Christians talk ad nauseam about the concepts of being "Christ-Like" and "Traditional Family Values." Without exception, no one bothers to think about how these two topics cross-reference, so to speak. I, Mrs. Betty Bowers, being a better Christian than they are, indeed, better than anyone, am pleased to announce that I am the first Christian to come up with an approach that seamlessly dovetails the concepts of "Family Values" with "Being Christ-Like."
TAPE 1 BIBLICAL SECRETS TO EFFECTIVE HATING
You will learn how to hate not just the annoying relatives, but all of them! You will become more Christ-like with each familial rebuff. And the deeper you hurt them, the more you must love Jesus! Praise the Lord!
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Matthew 10:
http://www.bettybowers.com/family.html
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You do understand that getting saved...will cost you ????........Tom
Right (actually ANYTHING Gingrich says is WRONG) from a Flying Monkey's mouth. --- Mich. Burea Chief
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"Being Newt In His Own Words: Ex-Speaker Gingrich"
By Rebecca Cooper | ABCNEWS.com
W A S H I N G T O N, Nov. 4 — Though it’s been two years since Newt Gingrich resigned as House speaker, he remains a lightning rod.
Gingrich remains so controversial that even, after all this time, his name is still used by Democrats to attack their Republican opponents. Hillary Rodham Clinton, candidate for Senate in New York, seizes every opportunity to bash her rival, Rep. Rick Lazio, by tying him to Gingrich. It’s a strategy being employed by Democrats challenging congressional Republicans from coast to coast.
more:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/gingrich_intvu_001102.html
Dear Democrats,
PLEASE work hard and get the vote out. I can't bear the thought of GWB of being elected. I'm holding on to the hope that not that many Americans could possibly be that stupid!!!!!
I wonder if we could keep him out of Canada because of his criminal record.
Good luck tomorrow Democrats - keep the faith
Dee in Winnipeg Canada aka the great white north
Dear Democrats,
PLEASE work hard and get the vote out. I can't bear the thought of GWB of being elected. I'm holding on to the hope that not that many Americans could possibly be that stupid!!!!!
I wonder if we could keep him out of Canada because of his criminal record.
Good luck tomorrow Democrats - keep the faith
Dee in Winnipeg Canada aka the great white north
Bobbie in OK -- Just who is supposed to buy grandma's medicine?
Bobbie in OK -- Just who is supposed to buy grandma's medicine?
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I don't know who posted that.
But tonight my only reply would be....
The people who are the top 1% in control of this nations wealth should buy grandma's medicine.
Got a problem with that asshole ?
Bush and Cheney are convicts.
Got a problem with that?
I will vote for honor and integrity...and not for convicts.........Tom
What a slanted crooked media... Geraldo Rivera is pre-empted by a national geographic special... Of course, the rest of our choices are down playing the tightening of the polls... Corporate speak everywhere... God please give those un-decideds 2 more IQ points tomorrow so they can reason the lesser of two evils, and will you please appeal to the naderites to come home if only for 4 final years....Scott
The big if will be if a dwi is considered a crime or not?..Is a traffic dwi crime?....WON'T THESE QUESTIONS BE THEIR DEFENSE? Hopefully they will investigate CHENEY's arrest records also. NIXON/AGNEW all over again. REMEMBER THISE GOOD OLD DAYS?..Scott
Is a 1976 Maine traffic dwi arrest considered a criminal arrest of even an arrest in the first place? Or is it an issue like Clinton's - that head is not sexual relations?.....Scott
Scott -- A DUI is considered a traffic offense, not a criminal offense.
BREAKING SPECIAL ELECTION NEWS== DEMOCRATS.COM JUST REPORTED THAT BUSH'S MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS HAVE DISAPPEARED. FULL STORY ON WWW.DEMOCRATS.COM.. "George W. Bush's Military Records Have Vanished!
New York, November 6, 9 p.m. EST: On the eve of the Presidential election, George W. Bush's military records cannot be found.
Bush's records are permanently stored at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis, Missouri. According to Melanie Aitken, an NPRC official, Bush's file was sent in June to the Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver Colorado, to help officials there answer reporters' questions about Bush's military service.
According to Maj. Tom Deall, Public Affairs Officer of the Air Reserve Personnel Center, ARPC received the file in June and kept it in Denver until August, when it was sent back to NPRC in St. Louis using Federal Express.
According to Aitken, the Federal Express shipment was never received. ...
Democrats.com discovered the files had vanished this afternoon while filing a Freedom of Information Act request seeking information from the Bush file that has not previously been disclosed. In particular, Democrats.com is looking for Bush's retirement and payment records, to determine whether Bush actually reported for duty after April of 1972, when Bush suddenly stopped flying with two full years left on his 6-year obligation..."
To SAG. . . You posted earlier that while W was getting arrested for DUI in '76 the great Gore was in uniform in Nam. Better check your history books! We were long out of Nam in '76.
Tom/GA
Kira ---- TN is going with your shrub because we know about Gore!
Bill in TN
Sort of like the Rose Law Firm billing records disappeared, HUH? Only to be found later with Hitlery's fingerprints all over them!!
Tom: Sounds like a little envy re the wealthy. Remember, if it wasn't for that wealthiest 1%, about 90% of the rest of us wouldn't have jobs!!!
Tom/GA
Looks like the media already knows that GWB is the winner! News says there is not a hotel room to be had in Austin for tomorrow and there are no seats on flights from Wash. & NY to Austin tomorrow! There are plenty of rooms in Nashville and flights are wide open.
I don't think the media folks are rushing to the loser's headquarters!!
Democrats.com report this pm (11-6) that Bush's military service records have disappeared. Democrats.com learned of the disappearance because they had a FOIA request for Bush's pay records--documents that had not been included in the batches sent months ago to Martin Heldt. See their story <http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=172
from listener marcia macmullan in ann arbor mi
Well, well. . . seems as though the great Alec Baldwin has removed a portion of his web site. Seems as though he is backing down on moving to France if GWB wins tomorrow! I guess he sees the handwriting on the wall and really doesn't want to live with hairy female armpits and legs not to mention deodorant being an unknown personal hygene product. What a guy! . . . really sticks with his convictions!
All of you Libs sleep well tonight! Tomorrow is the dawn of celebration to 4 wonderful years to come! Just think!. . . you will have HILLARY to carry water for in 4 more. The only State maybe more deserving of her is MASS. !
Greater days ahead!
Hey Dee in Winnipeg: Get over it! a DUI is a traffic offense, not a criminal case. Maybe we need to keep yours from storming over here seeking medical care with the great socialist healthcare plan there!
to the person who didn't have the courage to sign his name.
There are no uninsured Canadians. We have many Americans coming to Winnipeg to buy drugs and medical services because they're cheaper here'
I've noticed a really disturbing trend though - people who post the kind of reply that you have tend to be uneducated not only about Canada but about the limitiations of their own system. It seems that you rant and use insults to cover the lack of substance in your arguements.
Unfortunately you give Americans a bad name.
Dee - healthy & insured in Winnipeg
ps Mike Malloy - we miss you
1. Ralph Nader is not for sale. Millions of corporate dollars and twenty-two thousand corporate lobbyists are choking American democracy. Nader is the only candidate running a clean money campaign. While Bush and Gore rake in millions of dollars in soft money and obligations to special interests, the Nader campaign refuses soft money, corporate contributions or PAC donations.
2. Ralph Nader is a real reformer. During his 37-year career, he has been the driving force behind landmark pieces of legislation such as the Motor Vehicle Highway Safety Acts, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act and the Freedom of Information Act. He is pushing for real political reform: proportional representation, the instant runoff and same-day voter registration.
3. Ralph Nader is the only candidate fighting for universal health care coverage now. 46 million Americans do not have health insurance –nearly a 30% increase since 1992. A universal health care system of public payment and private delivery would cut the huge administrative costs which burden American wallets.
4. Ralph Nader vigorously fought the confirmation of extremist Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. A Senate controlled by Democrats confirmed Scalia and Thomas. Ralph Nader respects and will protect a woman’s right to choose when to have children. Nader will continue to fight for fair, impartial justices.
5. Ralph Nader strives to abolish child poverty in America. While Western European nations have all but eliminated child poverty, one in five American children lives in poverty.
6. Ralph Nader is the only candidate who supports the repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act, “the chokehold on American labor.” Nader encourages the growth of trade unions—now at a sixty-year low in the private sector—to protect worker’s rights and safety.
7. Ralph Nader is the only candidate who would withdraw the United States from the WTO and NAFTA and renegotiate all trade agreements to include provisions that safeguard workers, consumers, and the environment.
8. Ralph Nader attacks racial discrimination. Nader would protect people of color by enhancing affirmative action, cracking down on racial profiling, implementing widespread community policing, and terminating the illegal lending patterns of redlining and blockbusting.
9. Ralph Nader opposes the failed War on Drugs. Nader believes that this policy has only amplified street crime and transformed the private prison industry into one of the fastest growing industries in America. Nader contends that drug addiction should be treated as a health problem.
10. Ralph Nader is against the death penalty. Bush and Gore are for it.
11. Ralph Nader fights corporate crime and welfare. Corporate crime kills far more people and costs taxpayers far more money than street crime. Corporate welfare siphons hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars away from where they are needed to rebuild America’s bridges, schools, health and recreation centers, drinking water systems, mass transit systems and other public facilities.
12. Ralph Nader calls for an end to the economic sanctions on Iraq, which cause the deaths of 5000 children per month according to the American Physicians Taskforce. Unlike military sanctions, economic sanctions actually strengthen the dictatorship in Iraq.
13. Ralph Nader is the only candidate who supports equal rights for gays and lesbians – in the military, in civil unions, in the workplace, and in the marketplace.
14. Ralph Nader protects family farms, “the cultural backbone of America.” Bush and Gore accept large contributions from giant agribusinesses intent on displacing small farmers. Additionally, along with 90% of Americans, Nader supports labeling genetically-engineered food. Gore and Bush oppose labeling.
15. Ralph Nader would cut the swollen military budget. Although the Cold War ended ten years ago, the Republicans and Democrats continue to fund unnecessary gold-plated weapons systems such as the unworkable anti-ballistic missile defense system and the unsafe Osprey fighter.
16. Ralph Nader supports a significant increase in the federal minimum wage and a living wage nationwide. Although the record-breaking economy has doubled in size over the last thirty years, the inflation-adjusted federal minimum wage is currently approximately $2.15 lower than it was in 1968.
17. Ralph Nader would end all commercial logging in our National Forests. The Federal Government subsidizes logging in the National Forests to the tune of 1.2 billion dollars annually, yielding just 3% of the national timber harvest.Nader would use the 1.2 billion to restore those forests for future generations.
18. Ralph Nader would reshape our energy policy to favor clean energy technologies, such as solar and conservation. His push for efficient and clean mass transit systems would not only greatly reduce our dependence on oil, but would reduce transportation costs, pollution levels and traffic accidents.
19. Ralph Nader will protect your privacy. Never before has the privacy of American citizens been under such an invasion, from increased government surveillance to Internet commercial snooping to the sharing of personal medical records without your consent.
20. Every vote for Ralph Nader is a vote towards the creation of a watchdog political party that will empower civic groups and send a clear message to the two major parties: “shape up or shrink down.” If you agree that Ralph Nader is the only presidential candidate capable of reforming politics, vote Nader. Do you expect your members of Congress to vote their conscience? Shouldn’t you?
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Published on Monday, November 6, 2000 Reject Politics of Fear, Vote Nader by Chad Hanson
As a member of the Sierra Club's national Board of Directors, I have received tremendous pressure to hold my tongue and refrain from speaking my mind on Al Gore's environmental record. I was one of the few Club board members who voted against a Gore endorsement, in favor of endorsing Ralph Nader for President. I accept that a majority of those in my own organization disagree with me on this issue. However, after witnessing Al Gore, certain syndicated columnists, and the Sierra Club turn on Ralph Nader in the closing days of this election, I feeled compelled to offer my views.
A vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for George W. Bush, the saying goes. Gore himself echoed this sentiment recently at a campaign stop in Wisconsin. I was deeply offended. While making this statement, Gore essentially acknowledged that he is the lesser environmental candidate, compared to Nader. But rather than improve his environmental stance to address the concerns of those who would vote for Nader, he instead uses this scare tactic to coerce environmentalists to support him despite their better judgement. According to Gore, it is us who have to change, not him: vote for me, or else. I simply don't accept this brand of electioneering.
Besides, I believe it is far from clear whether Gore would in fact be better for the environment than Bush. There's no question about the fact that Bush is a regressive neanderthal when it comes to the environment. He'd love to increase logging on national forests, and open up sensitive wildlands to oil drilling. But would he be effective in achieving these anti-environmental objectives? I doubt it. The environmental community would pull out all the stops, justifiably branding Bush as environmental villain number one. The press would scrutinize his every move; and moderates in his own party would resist his attempts to undermine environmental laws, lest he tarnish their reputations by association. There would be an epic backlash, and Bush would be hamstrung.
Gore, on the other hand, is a totally different story. The national environmental groups are notorious for looking the other way when a Democrat President they helped get elected sells out the environment. The relationship, in my view, has become too cozy. The writing, in fact, is already on the wall. In two separate campaign stops, Gore proclaimed that he supports continuing the commercial logging program on this nation's national forests--a view out of step with three out of four Americans (Nader would end timber sales on national forests). There wasn't a peep from prominent environmental groups. Nor was there any cry from the large national groups when the Clinton/Gore Administration, just weeks ago, made a deal with Congressional Republicans to enact the largest funding increase for timber sales on federal lands in recent memory. Gore's failure to support the removal of outdated Northwest dams that are harming imperiled salmon runs was met with criticism so tepid it barely registered in the media.
The problem is, when it comes to comparing Gore and Bush on the environment, Bush is twice as bad but half as effective, while Gore is half as bad but twice as effective. On the ground where it counts, the difference between the two, in terms of the damage they are capable of, is likely to be negligible.
So, what's a self-respecting environmentally-minded voter to do? Simple, vote for Nader. Reject the "lesser of two evils" approach and the politics of fear. Vote for your candidate because their positions inspire you and give you hope, not because they have made you afraid of their opponent. Ultimately, things won't begin to get better for the environment until people stop voting for candidates they don't really want.
Chad Hanson is a national director of the Sierra Club.
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I found this on another site. -- Mich. Bureau Chief
1. Photocopy of order suspending George W. Bush from military flying duty:
http://www.talion.com/suspension.html
2. Photocopy of George W. Bush military document redacted for "administrative reasons"
http://www.talion.com/admin.html
3. Photocopy: Agreement (reneged on after disobeying orders.) Signed by George W. Bush
http://www.talion.com/signature.html
4. Photocopy: George W. Bush allowed to substitute civilian duties for flying duties (Viet Nam era) following his refusal to take physical and drug test
http://www.talion.com/missing.html
5. Photocopy: Statement agreeing to ORS Duty if he fails to complete military obligations satisfactorily, signed by George W. Bush
http://www.talion.com/signature2.html
6. Photocopy: Assignment of George W. Bush to ORS disciplinary unit in Denver
http://www.talion.com/punish.html
Hey Dee from Winnepeg! Check this out. "Bush May be Barred from Entering Canada"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/bush001103_canada.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
The Most Persuasive, Reasonable and Eloquent Plea to Ralph Nader that BuzzFlash Has Come Across, Submitted by a Reader
http://www.buzzflash.com/BuzzScripts/Buzz.dll/sub
Mich. Bureau Chief
Bill in TN,
i was born and raised in Tennessee, grew up outside the big towns where we still have woods and tall grass. i learned one important lesson as a kid playing in the woods and getting all kinds of bites. How i disliked chiggers. What i learned was this: stay out tha' Bushes. That lesson was sadly re-enforced between 1980-1992.
john(hp)
i think it's funny, all you conservasheep wanting to differentiate between a criminal case and a traffic case when Bill Clinton didn't even commit a crime and you wanted to throw him out of office. If you all wanted to be consistent you wouldn't vote for Bush.
john(hp)
"I'm sorry -- the man is inadequate," Molly Ivins Says of Dubya. And he "tells outrageous lies about his part-time performance in a powerless job."
http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/ivins2.htm
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Dubya Believes that a Separate Set of Rules Apply to Bushes
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/310/oped/Apparently_
Bush_believes_the_rules_don_t_apply_to_him+.shtml
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Sister of Gruesome Texas Hate Crime Victim Campaigns for Gore
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-Gore-Byrds-Sister.html
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Remember that a Vote for Bush is a Vote for Guns and the Entrenched Power of the NRA (Click and Scroll to Bottom of Page for BUSH's "A" Grade from the NRA)
http://www.nrapvf.org/doj.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
TO - bushed/2000.
Well, it could come down to a couples of oranges in florida or some bad weather. Are you so sure now your Furor will win? Gore/2000
Rude, but funny...
http://www.buzzflash.com/BuzzScripts/Buzz.dll/Content
BA_BureauChief
Hey Bill Bennett - Where's YOUR Outrage?
When the public sided with Bill Clinton over Tom DeLay during the impeachment farce, right-wing super-moralists went ballistic. Bill Bennett, whose brother Bob made a killing defending Clinton, made his own killing by attacking Americans in his screed "The Death of Outrage." But when a REPUBLICAN is charged with a moral crime, where do the super-moralists go? They're probably passing the bong around, if you ask me.
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/04/morality/index.html
Mich. Bureau Chief
Yo... Michigan Bureau Chief:
TWO THUMBS UP FROM THIS BUREAU !!!
Outstanding work over the past week or so, the Talion stuff was a particularly impressive catch.
BA_BureauChief
I stand by my original prediction. BUSH with 320 Electorial votes. Take it to the bank!
BUSH2000
Good Work Bushed/2000 - It seems like your boys stole those honest military records of Dumba's that he was so proud of he refused to release. No questions now - Can you say Seig Heil. Scott
Bush/2000...Can you really not have a few doubts about your men? (Your demoted drunk awolee and his side kick double drunk) Be truthful remember the twelve steps that they don't follow. Gore/2000
Bush/2000 Do you really think Bush will get 320 electoral votes? I expect you think he will take florida huh? Scott
Bush/2000...Do you listen to Mike on the internet?
Bush/2000 I think you should stay on this message board no matter what the outcome tomorrow. Scott
Scott. I don't know about staying. I am a man of my word. But we will see, may be fun to rub it in for awhile.
Bush will take the following States in question. Michigan. Ohio. Penn. Tenn. Washington state.
He may take Fla... not sure on that one.
BUSH2000
Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush will also take Wi.
DAMMIT, a long night.. I forgot Ark also.
Actually, I think he will exceed 320, but I am trying not to be too overly confident.
BUSH2000
Dee from Winnipeg, sorry about spelling your fair city's name wrong in an earlier post. :)
Mich. Bureau Chief
From another site --- Mich. Bureau Chief
....I keep wondering what the rightwing hypocrits would have said if Hillary had killed someone with her car like Laura Bush did; or if Al Gore had hidden an arrest record like Shrub did or if Clinton had had someone pull strings for him to get to the top of a National Guard unit for pilot training and then not show up for the last two years because he was too coked up to take the flight physical/urine tests. or if Lieberman had been arrested twice for DWI like Cheney but hid it....Like Benjamin Disreali, Queen Victoria's Prime Minister in 1842 said, "Conservative government is nothing more than organized hypocrisy"....
"Conservative government is nothing more than organized hypocrisy"
I know this is a repeat but it does need to be said again and again.......
Mich. Bureau Chief
"I am a man of my word."
You PROMISED a list of crimes and none has appeared. i suppose claiming to be a man of your word is the same as being a man of your word. just like when you claim to be a Catholic but have absolutely no grasp of the social teachings of the Church. Just like claiming to be in the Air national Guard is like being in the Air national guard; just like paying for an abortion is like being against abortion.....
john(hp)
What will happen to the right wing talk show hosts should we select GW? The last eight years all they did was create things to critize about Clinton. Will Rush become unemployed or sell his ties full time? FIGHT UNEMPLOYMENT VOTE FOR GORE!
The same thing that happend when Rush started his show and Reagan was President. Than Bush. Don't worry about Rush, he will never lose his supporters.
Oh My, are you guys desperate!! See the hand writing on the wall don't ya? Well, don't worry, its almost over. NO MORE GORE NO MORE GORE NO MORE GORE.
John. I feel no need to discuss those issues any longer. My work is done. And it is time to celebrate.
As to the Catholic church. Don't even start with Capitol Punishment. I would rather put a convict to death, than an innocent child. So I guess, our positions cancel each other out huh? right.
As gore said, take your souls to the polls, Even the dead baby ones.
BUSH2000
Phyllis Schlafly and Her Eagle Forum Endorse Bush: He Will Appoint Supreme Court Judges that Phyllis Likes, She Promises Her Followers
http://www.eagleforum.org/court_watch/00-11-03/election-alert.shtml
Mich. Bureau Chief
john(hp), Bush2000 is weaseling out the "PROMISED a list of crimes," just like his hero and namesake, George Dumbya Busch has weaseled out of everything and with the blessings of the "liberal media." That doesn't really surprise most of us on this board though including you I bet!!!
Mich. Bureau Chief
...weaseling out OF the...
Mich. Bureau Chief
Mich. Bureau Chief
Hey, no one is talking to you Mary
NADER DEFENDS STOCK-MARKET LOOT: 'It's important for people to have a conflict against their financial interest,' he explains
By Matt Welch / NEWSFORCHANGE
11.4.00 | LOS ANGELES
-- more --
Salon.com, Pacifica Radio and many concerned lefties have criticized Nader's six-figure participation in the Fidelity Magellan Fund, which owns substantial chunks of such targets of Ralph's wrath as Occidental Petroleum, General Dynamics, Bristol-Myers Squibb and Wal-Mart.
"[Fidelity] holds shares in so many companies Nader has crusaded against, it's hard to escape the conclusion that Nader's participation in the fund is supremely hypocritical," Salon campaign correspondent Jake Tapper wrote Oct. 28.
-- more --
http://www.workingforchange.com/news/article.cfm?ItemId=9114
Mich. Bureau Chief
VOTE!!!VOTE!!!VOTE!!!VOTE!!!VOTE!!!VOTE!!!VOTE!!!
*****DEMOCRAT*****
..Tucker Carlson here...You know that old saying, "as Maine goes, so goes the nation?"...well, I believe I can safely say that with 1% of the vote in, and that vote was unanimous, I am projecting that George W. Bush is the victor in this hard fought battle and that this election is over,yes, you heard me folks, that well known prevaricator, Al Gore has been defeated by his inebriated but honest opponet, that man of integrity, George W.Bush..."
http://www9.50megs.com/sag/SAGMEITERNEWS.html
Bush2k,
You fell no need? You promised over a month ago? i assume with that post you're admitting defeat.
As for the question of abortion, there you go again posting a lie about my position. i am consistantly pro-life and you know it.
It's not a choice between the unborn and the person on death row the church teaches that the commitment to life must be met without regard to the moral worth of the person. You, unfortunately, don't understand that or don't want to understand that.
You are also acting as if these are the only two issues when there are many more.
The difference between us is not that you support one part of the teaching and i support another; it's that i support the fulness of the teaching and you pick and choose as if faith were some Wisconsin buffet.
i rarely feel morally superior to anyone; in fact, i think it's a sin, but it's very hard not to around you.
john(hp)
I wonder what the right wing talk show hosts will talk about for the next 4 years as they are agonizing over Gore's victory tomorrow night? That is an interestinmg question. Im sure we can see the future. However maybe we'll see more Mike's on the air in the next few years, though highly unlikely i have faith. Im not nearly as nervous about the election now as I have been over the past few months. MSNBC has Gore up 2+- for each man.
My prediction of the popular vote tomorrow night, Gore 49 Bush 47
Gore E wins- CA, IL, WI, MI MN, WA, FL, NY, PA, eastern seaboard, possbily IA, even MO, which i didnt think would be close is a lot closer than i though and in the last few is leaning Gore. St. Louis may have put Gore over as Gore rallied there yesterday.
TN is close but i think Bush, AR, much closer than i thought again but Bush should take that unless Clinton had a profound effect.
::::::Weather Bulliten::::::
A cold front is ripping through guarenteed Bush states such as ND, SD, NE, KA, and OK. Voter turnout may be low in these areas. Blizzard conditions in Montana and ND several inches snow with fierce winds. heavy rain in N. WI tonight should taper tomorrow by midday
Chicago looks dry low 60's, St Louis dry upper 50's, Most of WI looks dry after midday. Light rain in Minneapolis, Light snow in Denver (hunting state) NM possible rain in the mid 40's, MI possible light rain 50's. Florida is florida
Social security recipients no better, which is why Gore will win FL, as well as the Lieberman factor there and in NY.
Watch for Na/Bush defectants. Nader will get 3% Buchanan 1% Gore 49% Bush 47%
Our country will be OURS again by tomorrow around this time. CDT That is affirmative!!!
Todd, WI
The difference between us is not that you support one part of the teaching and i support another; it's that i support the fulness of the teaching
Well that is interesting john. If that was the case, wouldn't you support a pro life position?
Are you than saying that you are against abortion except in those cases of Rape, insest and the life of the mother?
Im going to bed, have to do some more work tommarow... before VICTORY2000 baby...
BUSH2000
Todd, don't worry about the weather. At least not on the Republican side. We are organized. We are Optimistic, WE WILL VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT.
BUSH2000
3:11 AM-Indiana time---Bush 2000--
I have been reading you for over a year now and you have been very persuasive in your arguments. You have completely changed my mind on abortion. I no longer favor abortion. Except in your case...SAG
Busch2000-Bush is winning in states where there are no people anyway. A few less people voting because of a billzard may make a difference for him, especially if some of the people that do go to vote for him actually stop and think, (highly unlikely), but hey isnt Bush counting on people like that??? Ya know, people who cant think.
Can somebody answer this question... Why are all the 3rd and 5th graders in this country behind Bush? Is it because he represents their intelligence level, and therefore they can relate to each other???
Todd, WI :::::Tomorrow WE WIN:::::!!!!!
Most recent electoral college poll results from elec. college assn. (NOT A FRAUDULENT MEDIA POLL!) Gore: 289 Bush: 249 Margin Of Error: 56 O/A Odds of Gore winning election: 76%
Bush2,
why lie again about my position. You know what it is; i wiped the floor with you and others elsewhere with it. What this comes down to is that you're a big coward that can only scream abortion and falsely accuse others.
john(hp)
Get your election projection at
http://www9.50megs.com/sag/SAGMEISTERNEWS.html
Gore with 331 electoral votes, and it is ONLY 8:20 AM!
WOW!
De :-)
Gore with 51% of the popular vote and the polls JUST opened!
De :-)
SAG, tell your webby the first prize goes to ya'll at Sagmeisternews for graphic graphics and graphic graphics, and for the Ol Time Rock n' Roll!
whew! Nice site, y'all!
!!!!GO GORE!!!!
De
Re the quote that a conservative govt. is organized hypocrisy. . . what could be more hypocritical than a bunch of Libs.!! They love to throw money at problems. . . as long as it's someone elses money!!
As for Dee in Winnipeg. . . do you deny that Canadians pour into the U.S. seeking medical treatment? Seems there is quite a waiting list to have any type of elective surgery up there from everyone I've talked to from there. Same way in mother England with their socialized medical care. You are correct that drugs are cheaper there and a lot of that has to do with our FDA taking years to get off their bureaucratic butts to get things done.
Bill in TN
Tom/Ga
That was a standard conservative cute phrase.
I do not envy the rich.
I do not want their money. I do not need their money. I do not owe the rich anything. I am not here to be their servant.
They have wealth enough to promote economic policies even more to their favor by giving some of their wealth to the right person. I expect they see it as an investment that will bring a nice return.
I still hold to the idea, that we all as free persons, elect our representative to work for economic policies that will benifit us all.
I do not envy the rich.
But I will give those who are to represent us to this one promise.
If you are not working for OUR INTERESTS, then you can be assured, the attention you get from me....will not be nice.
That goes for Gore after he wins.
And if this country has gotten so pathetic and elects the major league babbling asshole...... my attention will not fade away......but will just grow into a very crude Irish Rage.
Have a nice day.................Tom
Spent the weekend up in Madison, WI saoking in a dose of sanity before returning to fight through the "bushes" of Kane County and cast my vote for the Vice President. It wasn't fun, it wasn't my "conscious" but it was my responsibility. My responsibility to all those I care about. My responsibility to keep this country from veering even further off to the right than it already has.
With Gore in the White House we can then begin more important work.
Dave
AT THE POLLS IN OK--what does this mean?
At my precinct at 7:20--ca. 15-20 waiting in line [in north-east Tulsa]
At a precinct in south-west Tulsa--long line outside poll at 7:40
From woman going into work--ca. 100 in line at her precinct before 7:00
From another woman going into work--heard on radio: on basis of reports from around OK, OK election official is predicting possible 80% voter turn-out in OK
Response from receptionist--"Praise the Lord"
From 2 people at work--forecast is for rain and possible sleet late afternoon or evening
Young Black male in work environment heavily evangelical/conservative Christian--agreed, no doubt in his mind, with my quiet comment that Blacks and women are crazy if they vote Rep
White adult male at Sat Dem get out vote rally--he has been letting all his fellow vets know about AWOL Bush
Very controversial downtown development plan with sales-tax on ballot for Tulsa
What does this all mean? Perhaps BA_BureauChief has some suggestions.
From the scene [planning to vote mid-afternoon],
Bobbie in OK
As for Rush. . . as he says, there will be no shortage of program material after GWB takes it tonight. Liberals are even more funny when they are not in power and that makes for entertaining program material.
Tom/GA
No matter how the vote goes, your attention can not just fade away.
You have seen just how bad the media coverage has been.
Is it reasonable that almost all of the coverage of Bush has failed to convey to America...this man's past?
Is it reasonable to think that the republicans have been able to put TWO people on the TOP of their ticket....both convicted...both with arrest records.... and it only comes out...just a few short days before election day?
Today is election day.....but what are you going to do after that?
Are you going to be reasonable and just fade away?
Keep this in mind when you wake up Nov.8.
The Republican Party has TWO CONVICTS at the TOP of thier party.
How long have you been aware of that?
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THE MEDIA IS AS LIBERAL AS THE CORPORATIONS THAT OWN THEM.
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Going to start my Irish Rage...no matter what the election results are.............Tom
Warner Bros. SHOULD have told that FAT ASS LOUD MOUTH C...T, TO GO TO HELL. LEAVE. SEE YA BITCH.
Tom/GA
ElRushbo Style has always been.
Turn the Democratic truth into lies.
Turn the Republican lies into truth.
ElRushbo Style......still stale after all these years................Tom
You would think these people would figure out, WE DONT CARE WHAT THEY THINK! If we wanted their opinions we would ask for it. Now go make millions.
If there is a blank anywhere on your ballot for a write in......
VOTE FOR ROSIE
Just to make those mad monkeys nuts hurt.......Tom
VOTE TODAY!!!
In April of 1775, British troops left Boston under the cover of darkness to attack Lexington and Concord. Warned by Paul Revere and John Dawes, local militias repelled the British troops. What happened next was even less expected. Word of the attack spread for hundreds of miles over small trails and footpaths. Over the next week, Americans from as far away as Maine and the Berkshires converged on Boston. As many as 250,000, a significant part of the population, spontaneously traveled to Boston to confront he British, who eventually withdrew.
The issues remain much the same: taxes, over-bearing government, and local control. Today, you can make yourself heard through voting. No long treks or hostile fire. You can choose high taxes with Al Gore or lower taxes with Governor Bush. You can choose one-size-fits-all government from Al Gore or you can make your own decisions with Governor Bush. You can have decisions made by Washington bureaucrats led by Al Gore or you can have more decisions made by local officials that know you and your community led by Governor Bush.
To ensure Governor Bush wins Michigan and the nation, it is vital that you vote, that your friends and family vote, and like Revere and Dawes you spread the word today about the election and what is at stake. There is no tomorrow in this race. There are no second chances. VOTE!!!
REMEMBER FOLKS>
Because of excepted high turn out. They are requesting Republicans vote today, and Democrats on Wed. Pass it around.
Federal Review - Bush to be Elected President an excellent analysis
Tue Nov 7 07:47:36
http://www.federalreview.com/compositepoll.htm
Mike, the Gore supporters are listening and appreciate you expressing our frustrations. Remember, we can only catch parts of your show because we have to work. Obviously, the republicans have a lot of time to just sit around on the phone and listen to the radio. Thanks again!
Tom. . . Just have some Baileys and enjoy the dawning of a new era with GWB!
tom/GA
It felt so good to vote that straight ticket DEMOCRATIC, and vote for those democratic supreme courts judges. MMM..MMM.. Good.. Scott
Bill in TN,
First he is not MY shrub!! Second, you know what about Gore? That he is very qualified to be president? That he is the only sane and intelligent choice that we have????? So if you know these things..why are you voting for the man who represents everything that is wrong with this world?
Kira
GORE 2000
ELECTION DAY 2000
Truthseekers:
I have been writing letters to the editor of the Copley News and Ottawa Daily Times in the Northern Illinois area. What I am dismayed about is that I just got off the phone with Lonny Cain at the Ottawa Daily Times to ask why they have not published my letters. Response....The managing editor decided not to print letters with endorsements. I told him my letter was factual statements regarding Mr. Bush's military record and another regarding Bush's Texas record. The people